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New decade: The Next Roaring Twenties?

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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,358 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

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    H demands evidence that he can ignore or dismiss of something he's willfully ignorant of.
  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,696 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    I’m sure child labor laws are equally offensive to our favorite little libertarian too. This is why no one takes libertarianism seriously except dumbshits.
    I bet when the 100:1 baby ratio opens up cutrate baby care for 5 bucks a month someone else will open up a 1:1 ELITE baby care for 20k a month and then someone else will open up Sark baby care somewhere in the middle and then the people will decide what they want to do.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827

    Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.
    Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,961 Founders Club
    In 5 years thus far of having had kids in day care in Seattle we've seen a lot of chinflation. I don't the regs have changed during this time frame. But the labor costs for the centers in terms of benefits and hourly wages have. It's a hard business to attract and keep good talent and not have too much turnover.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827

    And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.

    It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)

    Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
    In our case no, she stays at home because she wants to be with the kids, not because of costs of childcare. And she makes bank so she would come out well ahead working more, even with the childcare expense.

    But I agree there are many families in the situations you describe.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,043

    And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.

    It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)

    Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
    I never argued that, but thanks for thinking of me

    Cool that you understnad my situation so well

    hashtagAnalrapist
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,863

    And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.

    It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)

    Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
    As our good friend, @HoustonHusky so capably demonstrated a year or so ago, @BearsWiin is a blowhard who's never short on opinions, always delivered with a dismissive Cal attitude, even when he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. So, yeah, a guy who gave his wife his balls to go out and bring home the groceries while he stays home and wipes noses and asses is probably not the guy you want to listen to on this topic. Not that I would know much about it either; I kept my balls. :)

    Not that I'm obsessed with him or anything.

    Carry on.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,863

    Sure, but how do you feel about breaks and coverage? Should there be a 3.1 no matter what or is the 15 minute mandatory break the teacher takes ok to go to 4.1? What about centers with mixed ages or under 10 kids?

    More to the point, do we need licensing, inspection, and the arbitrary enforcement of nepotistic bureaucrats to figure these things out? Or can you as a consumer make that determination and choice?

    The rules are labyrinthine and longer than the driving code. It's why my wife makes a nice additional gig living informing the courts on what exactly are the rules. Even the regulators have trouble keeping up and while one inspector might view certain regs one way another may view them very differently.

    This doesn't even get into where federal, state, and local regs are misaligned or even disagree leaving private sector to decide which goverment entity they are the least risk adverse to disregard.

    To short the strawman H is already attempting, no one(except maybe Damoan) is calling for no regulation at all. It's simply that the industry is generally over regulated because of the Left crying "but who will think of the children!" And not understanding the basic relationship between regulation, state intervention, and costs.
    I'm not following this discussion at all because it has nothing to do with me. But chinned for labyrinthine. Well done, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Always have been. One the best poasters on the board.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827

    Gol dang it - that @UW_Doog_Bot uses his tongue prettier than a $20 whore.
    *Keybored
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Sure, but how do you feel about breaks and coverage? Should there be a 3.1 no matter what or is the 15 minute mandatory break the teacher takes ok to go to 4.1? What about centers with mixed ages or under 10 kids?

    More to the point, do we need licensing, inspection, and the arbitrary enforcement of nepotistic bureaucrats to figure these things out? Or can you as a consumer make that determination and choice?

    The rules are labyrinthine and longer than the driving code. It's why my wife makes a nice additional gig living informing the courts on what exactly are the rules. Even the regulators have trouble keeping up and while one inspector might view certain regs one way another may view them very differently.

    This doesn't even get into where federal, state, and local regs are misaligned or even disagree leaving private sector to decide which goverment entity they are the least risk adverse to disregard.

    To short the strawman H is already attempting, no one(except maybe Damoan) is calling for no regulation at all. It's simply that the industry is generally over regulated because of the Left crying "but who will think of the children!" And not understanding the basic relationship between regulation, state intervention, and costs.
    Did I call for no regulation? Where is that quote?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,358 Swaye's Wigwam

    Did I call for no regulation? Where is that quote?
    I only said *maybe out of respekt to your classical liberal leanings and not assuming where your position is on the matter.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 36,021 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020

    Yeah, how dare I want childcare that's affordable to more parents because they don't have to follow Michelle's nutrition guidelines for licensing. I'm sure the daycares would start feeding them motor oil. Jfc you ladies are so clueless and pearl clutching.
    This looks damn delicious and nutritious!

    Fucking ridiculous communist buffoons.


  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Sledog said:

    This looks damn delicious and nutritious!

    Fucking ridiculous communist buffoons.


    Looks relatively low carb, but too much sugar in the ketchup and apple.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,961 Founders Club

    Looks relatively low carb, but too much sugar in the ketchup and apple.
    Apple sugar is good for you. Ketchup sugar not so much.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827

    Apple sugar is good for you. Ketchup sugar not so much.
    Pretty sure Mik Dabone's poont was that the school lunch program doesn't differentiate between good sugars and bad.
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