New decade: The Next Roaring Twenties?
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H demands evidence that he can ignore or dismiss of something he's willfully ignorant of.HHusky said:🐓
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I bet when the 100:1 baby ratio opens up cutrate baby care for 5 bucks a month someone else will open up a 1:1 ELITE baby care for 20k a month and then someone else will open up Sark baby care somewhere in the middle and then the people will decide what they want to do.HHusky said:
I’m sure child labor laws are equally offensive to our favorite little libertarian too. This is why no one takes libertarianism seriously except dumbshits.MikeDamone said:
Yes they should be able to. When did I say they shouldn’t? Dumbass.HHusky said:
But 5:1 doesn’t offend you? Shouldn’t parents be free to choose 15:1?MikeDamone said:
It’s over regulation. That’s the claim. That’s what it is. Sorry that makes your snatch hurt.HHusky said:
The claim was over regulation. One caregiver for every three infants sounds like common sense.MikeDamone said:
“The industry is highly regulated, perhaps reasonably so, given the vulnerability of the clientele—which is the second key driver of child-care costs. As Jordan Weissmann has reported in The Atlantic, states with strict labor laws tend to have the most expensive facilities. In Massachusetts, which requires one caregiver for every three infants, the average annual cost is more than $16,000. In Mississippi, which allows a one-to-five ratio, the cost is less than $5,000. Thanks to high turnover rates—a result of those low wages—companies have to constantly train new workers to meet regulatory standards. Other costs include insurance to cover damage to the property and worker injuries, as well as legal fees to deal with inevitable parent lawsuits.“HHusky said:
It’s over regulation of childcare that’s made it expensive? I’ll look for you to make that case. When did it happen? Cuz it was more expensive than my mortgage 25 years ago too.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/why-child-care-so-expensive/602599/
It should be left to the parents to decide what ratio they want. If a place offers 3:1 parents can choose that. If 5:1 is ok and more accommodating to their budge, then they can choose that. Of course, arrogant leftists like you know what’s best for everyone because it’s “common sense”. Fuck off. -
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize. -
In 5 years thus far of having had kids in day care in Seattle we've seen a lot of chinflation. I don't the regs have changed during this time frame. But the labor costs for the centers in terms of benefits and hourly wages have. It's a hard business to attract and keep good talent and not have too much turnover.
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And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care. -
In our case no, she stays at home because she wants to be with the kids, not because of costs of childcare. And she makes bank so she would come out well ahead working more, even with the childcare expense.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
But I agree there are many families in the situations you describe.
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I don't have the "inventory" (shout out to @creepycoug since I am using this term moar) to make an informed comment on how regs affect child care costs. I think it's common sense though that an infant room shouldn't have more that 4:1 and 3:1 is preferred.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
Up in our neck of the woods, they have to pay about $17 or $18 to start with full medical just to find decent help. The lead teacher in each class is probably making in the low $20s per hour. -
I never argued that, but thanks for thinking of meUW_Doog_Bot said:
And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
Cool that you understnad my situation so well
hashtagAnalrapist -
As our good friend, @HoustonHusky so capably demonstrated a year or so ago, @BearsWiin is a blowhard who's never short on opinions, always delivered with a dismissive Cal attitude, even when he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. So, yeah, a guy who gave his wife his balls to go out and bring home the groceries while he stays home and wipes noses and asses is probably not the guy you want to listen to on this topic. Not that I would know much about it either; I kept my balls.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
Not that I'm obsessed with him or anything.
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Sure, but how do you feel about breaks and coverage? Should there be a 3.1 no matter what or is the 15 minute mandatory break the teacher takes ok to go to 4.1? What about centers with mixed ages or under 10 kids?YellowSnow said:
I don't have the "inventory" (shout out to @creepycoug since I am using this term moar) to make an informed comment on how regs affect child care costs. I think it's common sense though that an infant room shouldn't have more that 4:1 and 3:1 is preferred.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.dnc said:
Wifey's a mostly stay at home madre (she still works 8 hours a week at her old job) so we're not super familiar with the high costs of childcare. It definitely amazes me how much people spend on it though.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Massive government overregulation of childcare has made it ultra expensive to have children. Childcare costs more than a mortgage even in ultra expensive locations and doesn't get much cheaper in the boonies. Axe @YellowSnow or @dnc or anyone with young kids. It's a universal problem for my generation.HHusky said:
You’re an open borders advocate? How did the government stop millennials from reproducing?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Don't tell me tell the dems. Also, maybe just have government get the fuck out of the way.HHusky said:
You don’t have to have a decline. Working people still want in and you can incentivize people to have more kids.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Obama was milquetoast when it came to private sector and heavy handed on regulation. His policies absolutely dragged the economy. He believed in tax and spend as dems do. Big G at the cost of C & I since you believe in economics supposedly. I'll give him that he didn't completely wreck things like Warren or Sanders would but his entire premise (which you share) is managed decline with the government doing the managing.HHusky said:
Obama took office in 2009. The lowest US growth rate thereafter was 1.6% in 2011, which is very close to forecasts of US growth in 2020. And I’ve always given you credit Race: your irrational hatred of Obama is not because he’s black. Can’t say the same about everyone here.RaceBannon said:
Obama averaged under 1% for 8 yearsHHusky said:
What Cons used to call shitty growth is now celebrated. Some of us pointed out that 2-3% was good back when the black fella was President. But you girls aren’t hypocrites, of course.Southerndawg said:
Tug Commies aren't going to like this.
Under the presidency of Donald Trump, America has gone from being one-fifth of the world’s economy to one-fourth — in three short years.
Economic events of today’s Trump economy will shape the perceptions of today’s newest Americans:
The economy has added 6 million jobs in the past three years.
Unemployment rate dropped to 3.6 percent, the lowest level in 50 years.
Economic growth rate is 2.1 percent. The ideal growth rate is between 2-3 percent.
Median household income has reached $65,976 – an all-time high and up more than 8 percent in 2019 dollars under the Trump presidency
Middle-class incomes, after adjusting for inflation, have surged by $5,003 since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.
The poverty rate and food stamp rolls declined 15 percent.
Stock prices rose: The S&P 500 index was up 29.8 percent.
The number of murders dropped 6.9%.
The FBI’s annual crime report, shows violent crime rate dropping 4.6 percent since President Trump took office, reversing an uptick in violent crime that occurred under the last two years of President Barack Obama.
The problem is that you can’t be anti-immigrant, have historically low birth rates and labor shortages, and also expect growth to continue in the sweet spot.
You want to crown his ass then crown it but he was who we said he was
Trump is at 2% and no reason for it not to keep climbing as the deregulation and tax cuts continue their work
Obama didn't do shit and sucked. Get over it
Good economic policy has nothing to do with race unless you're a racist like @HHusky
When president's parties control Congress and pass major legislation there absolutely are economic ramifications, see tax cuts vs. Obamacare. Sure, there's all kinds of mitigating factors but you like to cherry pick what you do and don't contextualize.
It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)
Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
Up in our neck of the woods, they have to pay about $17 or $18 to start with full medical just to find decent help. The lead teacher in each class is probably making in the low $20s per hour.
More to the point, do we need licensing, inspection, and the arbitrary enforcement of nepotistic bureaucrats to figure these things out? Or can you as a consumer make that determination and choice?
The rules are labyrinthine and longer than the driving code. It's why my wife makes a nice additional gig living informing the courts on what exactly are the rules. Even the regulators have trouble keeping up and while one inspector might view certain regs one way another may view them very differently.
This doesn't even get into where federal, state, and local regs are misaligned or even disagree leaving private sector to decide which goverment entity they are the least risk adverse to disregard.
To short the strawman H is already attempting, no one(except maybe Damoan) is calling for no regulation at all. It's simply that the industry is generally over regulated because of the Left crying "but who will think of the children!" And not understanding the basic relationship between regulation, state intervention, and costs.
