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Considering where LSU's offense is now compared to where it had been so stagnant for years in the past, Jimmy needs to follow that blueprint and pluck someone out of the NFL.
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Absolutely idiotic post. Disagree about OL coach. That’s an important role and I would much rather have a great OL coach than an average one.Kingdome_Urinals said:OL coach and WR mean very little in the scheme of things. It's all on CP.
When have you heard of a team that hired a better WR coach and got dramatically better on offense? Never. All WR coaches do the same shit. Some just coach actually good WRs.
We got drastically better with Bush Hamdan as our WR coach. Ross came back and was much improved and it was night and day with Pettis. I don’t think it was all because of him, but it helped having him instead of Pease.
They do the same shit, but the coach needs to get his guys assignment sound, playing with confidence, focused, always seeking to improve, etc.
Teachers mostly teach the same thing. History is history, but some teach it better than others.
The only thing you are right about is that it is all on CP. he does need to hire good coaches and that’s very debatable at this point. -
I”m thinking LSU’s magic is Burrow more than Brady.
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he has a 3 seasons as a DC under his belt and will do everything he can to win in 2020dnc said:On the one hand I think this demonstrates that Eason is overrated even by Lake.
OTOH I like that Lake is trying to do everything to win in 2020 and not take three years to until winning matters. -
Originally I would have agreed with this but I learned recently from "Sub K" on the BDTW podcast that the o line performance has nothing to do with the o line coach as long as he is recruiting well. In this case, poor o line performance is the fault of the running back coach and offensive coordinator. If, however, the o line coach is deemed a poor recruiter, then any deficiencies in o line production fall at his feetRoadDawg55 said:
Absolutely idiotic post. Disagree about OL coach. That’s an important role and I would much rather have a great OL coach than an average one.Kingdome_Urinals said:OL coach and WR mean very little in the scheme of things. It's all on CP.
When have you heard of a team that hired a better WR coach and got dramatically better on offense? Never. All WR coaches do the same shit. Some just coach actually good WRs.
We got drastically better with Bush Hamdan as our WR coach. Ross came back and was much improved and it was night and day with Pettis. I don’t think it was all because of him, but it helped having him instead of Pease.
They do the same shit, but the coach needs to get his guys assignment sound, playing with confidence, focused, always seeking to improve, etc.
Teachers mostly teach the same thing. History is history, but some teach it better than others.
The only thing you are right about is that it is all on CP. he does need to hire good coaches and that’s very debatable at this point. -
Adrian fucking Clemm. Unless you’re getting all 5 star guys, I would argue that coaching is more important because most of these guys are at a similar level on talent and it’s coaching that determines whether they make it or not.bananasnblondes said:
Originally I would have agreed with this but I learned recently from "Sub K" on the BDTW podcast that the o line performance has nothing to do with the o line coach as long as he is recruiting well. In this case, poor o line performance is the fault of the running back coach and offensive coordinator. If, however, the o line coach is deemed a poor recruiter, then any deficiencies in o line production fall at his feetRoadDawg55 said:
Absolutely idiotic post. Disagree about OL coach. That’s an important role and I would much rather have a great OL coach than an average one.Kingdome_Urinals said:OL coach and WR mean very little in the scheme of things. It's all on CP.
When have you heard of a team that hired a better WR coach and got dramatically better on offense? Never. All WR coaches do the same shit. Some just coach actually good WRs.
We got drastically better with Bush Hamdan as our WR coach. Ross came back and was much improved and it was night and day with Pettis. I don’t think it was all because of him, but it helped having him instead of Pease.
They do the same shit, but the coach needs to get his guys assignment sound, playing with confidence, focused, always seeking to improve, etc.
Teachers mostly teach the same thing. History is history, but some teach it better than others.
The only thing you are right about is that it is all on CP. he does need to hire good coaches and that’s very debatable at this point. -
Terrible response, except for the very end. John Ross was good because he was healthy for a full year, had a great defense, a decent QB, a superb TB, and plenty of nice scoring opportunities. A good WR coach, in the sense that they can communicate effectively with kids, is better than a terrible one, for sure.RoadDawg55 said:
Absolutely idiotic post. Disagree about OL coach. That’s an important role and I would much rather have a great OL coach than an average one.Kingdome_Urinals said:OL coach and WR mean very little in the scheme of things. It's all on CP.
When have you heard of a team that hired a better WR coach and got dramatically better on offense? Never. All WR coaches do the same shit. Some just coach actually good WRs.
We got drastically better with Bush Hamdan as our WR coach. Ross came back and was much improved and it was night and day with Pettis. I don’t think it was all because of him, but it helped having him instead of Pease.
They do the same shit, but the coach needs to get his guys assignment sound, playing with confidence, focused, always seeking to improve, etc.
Teachers mostly teach the same thing. History is history, but some teach it better than others.
The only thing you are right about is that it is all on CP. he does need to hire good coaches and that’s very debatable at this point.
But the tone starts at the top. Adams was not in complete control of the WR rotations this year, for instance, it was Pete's stupid system and seniority principles that got everyone constipated.
Same goes for OL in my opinion. Chip Kelly's system at Oregon was largely fool-proof not because of a great OL coach, but because the system was schemed and drilled to perfection at the top.
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John Ross could basically catch a screen or run a go route prior to his jr year. He was a pretty complete college wr by his jr year.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Terrible response, except for the very end. John Ross was good because he was healthy for a full year, had a great defense, a decent QB, a superb TB, and plenty of nice scoring opportunities. A good WR coach, in the sense that they can communicate effectively with kids, is better than a terrible one, for sure.RoadDawg55 said:
Absolutely idiotic post. Disagree about OL coach. That’s an important role and I would much rather have a great OL coach than an average one.Kingdome_Urinals said:OL coach and WR mean very little in the scheme of things. It's all on CP.
When have you heard of a team that hired a better WR coach and got dramatically better on offense? Never. All WR coaches do the same shit. Some just coach actually good WRs.
We got drastically better with Bush Hamdan as our WR coach. Ross came back and was much improved and it was night and day with Pettis. I don’t think it was all because of him, but it helped having him instead of Pease.
They do the same shit, but the coach needs to get his guys assignment sound, playing with confidence, focused, always seeking to improve, etc.
Teachers mostly teach the same thing. History is history, but some teach it better than others.
The only thing you are right about is that it is all on CP. he does need to hire good coaches and that’s very debatable at this point.
But the tone starts at the top. Adams was not in complete control of the WR rotations this year, for instance, it was Pete's stupid system and seniority principles that got everyone constipated.
Same goes for OL in my opinion. Chip Kelly's system at Oregon was largely fool-proof not because of a great OL coach, but because the system was schemed and drilled to perfection at the top.
How would you ever hold a coach accountable if what you said was the case?
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So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
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Monken has run good offenses in college. Okie state when they have been really good on offense and southern miss. They lit us up in the Dallas bowl.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
That would be the reason for optimism. Also has been a head coach with a ton of experience. Turned around southern miss and left for some reason. But they were good in his 3rd year.
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I like base my opinion off of 1 year. I like to do that.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
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Yes. I’m so fucking done with that stupid school and all their overachieving talent, not including Jimmy cause he’s an Eastern Eag first.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
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Moore has the Cowboys doing well against losing teams and struggling against good teams in his 15 game career
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Fade routes on 4th and 6 with the season on the line with your alpha receiver on the bench because of the package you are attempting to run is all I need for a HARD PASS.
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Lashlee would be a great hire. It’s not settling for Eason if you have a guy like Lashlee on the hook.
That being said if Eason is gone anyway I agree it makes sense to wait a week and see if someone you like even more comes along. Risky though because Lashlee or whoever else was the guy might no longer be available. -
You guys forget how bad Strausser’s recruiting was. He was losing guys to Utah, Arizona, and OSU at the end there.
You can’t believe his firing was justified based on failure to bring in talent and also indict the successor for not doing more with that talent.
Our OL was mediocre because McGary is gone and Adams’ body is shot.
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For the amount of talent and experience we had this year, the o line should have been much better than it was. You had 3 seniors, a former army all american, and a 5th guy who is the best of the group.FremontTroll said:You guys forget how bad Strausser’s recruiting was. He was losing guys to Utah, Arizona, and OSU at the end there.
You can’t believe his firing was justified based on failure to bring in talent and also indict the successor for not doing more with that talent.
Our OL was mediocre because McGary is gone and Adams’ body is shot.
Next year will be telling for Huff.
Individually, these guys are fine. They sucked ass playing as a unit and have since Huff started coaching them. That's on him. That being said, I wouldn't fire him at this point, but if they are bad again next year, I'd start looking. -
Is it too much to ask for them to execute a screen play?FremontTroll said:You guys forget how bad Strausser’s recruiting was. He was losing guys to Utah, Arizona, and OSU at the end there.
You can’t believe his firing was justified based on failure to bring in talent and also indict the successor for not doing more with that talent.
Our OL was mediocre because McGary is gone and Adams’ body is shot.
Next year will be telling for Huff.
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I want to light myself on fire for this, but I think circumstances...while not excusing him...buy Huff a little patience. Hes done fine with individual development. McGary was picked high and had a good rookie year. Hilbers has quietly done well and will be a draft pick. Adams grades out well in spite of the shit hes taken here and will be a high pick if he can pass a physical. Nick Harris might even get drafted. I think these guys have developed well under him and the grades and kudos they get reflect as much.
It's the line as a unit that has been shaky and prone to complete misfires where nobody gets blocked. This has been the case since Pete came to UW. I think it's inaccurate to put too much of schematic and assignment failures in the OL coach. I bet that's what Hamdan wanted to do. -
It’s the Browns. That’s a mess from the top down. I don’t see that changing.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
For the Bucs, his offenses lit up big numbers. No coach has been able to coach throwing picks out of Jameis Winston.
Monken has done it for longer, he’s coached in both college and pro. He was associated with really good offenses at Oklahoma State and he had Southern Miss doing very well on offense too. -
Except against Cal, Stanford, and Colorado but otherwise, yeahRaceBannon said:Moore has the Cowboys doing well against losing teams and struggling against good teams in his 15 game career
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Kidnap Kyle Shanahan after SNF is over and make him be OC next year
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Hard to say. He’s obviously become a great QB but he wasn’t anything special last year. I don’t knock him at all for losing the job to Haskins considering Haskins was a Heisman contender and threw 50 TD’s and was picked in the first round himself.DawgDaze71 said:I”m thinking LSU’s magic is Burrow more than Brady.
The coaching and scheme changed at LSU and they are fucking rolling. I do think that they will drop off from Burrows (anyone would), but something is going good there besides just Burrow. The rest of the team is playing with a ton of confidence. Confidence is contagious.
This ties back to the point that TBS is so important and coaching isn’t. They both are. LSU always had a lot of talent but wasn’t coming close to this level ever. -
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
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All that being said, please don’t hire MooreFreeChavez said:
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
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I don’t want Moore, but to expect him to run a version of Pete’s offense is probably short sighted.
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dude we do not need another bush 2.0, that gives up a running game as soon as the running game gets going. they all are (pete, bush, kellen) are all cut from the same cloth.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
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FreeChavez said:
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
And at the end of the day nobody fucking knows.
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