This NRO piece sums up my view of the Impeachment proceedings

RaceBannon said:

Investigating Ukraine interference in the 2016 election and Biden corruption is not a personal matter for Trump

What a stupid talking point.

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

Trump is a Boob @Swaye . But where do his transgressions rank in the History of the Republic? I can think of plenty worse by past Presidents who never came close to losing their jobs.

"This is a country that backed away from removing Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, and that avoided the first successful impeachment of a sitting president because of Richard Nixon’s resignation. A Senate vote to remove Trump would effectively declare that Trump’s phone call to the Ukrainian president, and other efforts to hold up congressionally appropriated aid to Ukraine, was the worst decision of any president in American history, and the only one that warranted this ultimate punishment."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/decide-trumps-fate-at-the-ballot-box/

Stare decisis. It doesn't technically apply to these proceedings; for as many have pointed out, this is political, not legal. That said, it still matters as a fundamental indicator of fairness and intellectual honesty in how we? manage important processes.

Impeachment is very much political and not criminal. Nixon lost in the court of public opinion which is why he had to resign. In this current era of 50/50 scorched Earth polarization, something equivalent to quid pro quo badgering of a foreign leader ain't enough to get it done. I think Clinton's perjury is probably morally equivalent to Trump's phone call and yet the Dems told us we needed to Moveon.Org because of 60% approval ratings.

Clinton’s perjury didn’t involve a conflict between the discharge of his core duties as President and his personal aims.

Is perjury a felony consuelo?

Can you hold a job in law enforcement, military, intelligence service or even be an attorney with a felony conviction?

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

Trump is a Boob @Swaye . But where do his transgressions rank in the History of the Republic? I can think of plenty worse by past Presidents who never came close to losing their jobs.

"This is a country that backed away from removing Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, and that avoided the first successful impeachment of a sitting president because of Richard Nixon’s resignation. A Senate vote to remove Trump would effectively declare that Trump’s phone call to the Ukrainian president, and other efforts to hold up congressionally appropriated aid to Ukraine, was the worst decision of any president in American history, and the only one that warranted this ultimate punishment."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/decide-trumps-fate-at-the-ballot-box/

Stare decisis. It doesn't technically apply to these proceedings; for as many have pointed out, this is political, not legal. That said, it still matters as a fundamental indicator of fairness and intellectual honesty in how we? manage important processes.

Impeachment is very much political and not criminal. Nixon lost in the court of public opinion which is why he had to resign. In this current era of 50/50 scorched Earth polarization, something equivalent to quid pro quo badgering of a foreign leader ain't enough to get it done. I think Clinton's perjury is probably morally equivalent to Trump's phone call and yet the Dems told us we needed to Moveon.Org because of 60% approval ratings.

Clinton’s perjury didn’t involve a conflict between the discharge of his core duties as President and his personal aims.

Is perjury a felony consuelo?

Can you hold a job in law enforcement, military, intelligence service or even be an attorney with a felony conviction?

"consuelo" means "comfort"or "solace" in Spanish. Is there some humor from that term the rest of us are supposed to understand?