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Ocasio-Cortez: Electoral College is ‘Affirmative Action’ for Rural Americans

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  • Member Posts: 48,030

    King County’s white nationalists and protectionists are understandably melting down. Even those you would think know better.

    I don’t know what the fuck that means.

    And probably wouldn’t even without benefit of indica edibles and several shots of rye.
  • Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    Translation:



    We lost the election because we're shitbrains that run on a platform of fail, but it's not our fault, it's the electoral college that's the problem. Lets just get rid of it.
    Cannot stop laffing. YBFE
  • Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2019
    Once again, we as a country are arguing about the wrong things. Until the system in which we nominate a candidate for president is fixed, keeping or doing away with the Electoral College doesn’t matter much. This article from Stanford Magazine (hi @Gladstone!) articulates it nicely:

    “The current system is weighted too heavily in favor of celebrity appeal, demagogic displays and appeals to narrow special interests...

    ...For almost the first half century of the republic, presidential candidates were chosen by the caucuses of the two parties in the House and the Senate. That system worked well until the two-party system briefly died with the Federalist Party. It was replaced by party conventions, which eventually were replaced (almost) with strings of single or multiple state primaries and caucuses. It seems to me that the original system may have been superior to what we now have. The elected officials of both parties have incentives to choose candidates with an eye toward popular electability and governing skill...”


    I’m not saying we should return to the old way of nominating a presidential candidate, but after watching the shit show that was the Democratic debates I know something needs to change at that level before we start tinkering with anything else.
  • Member Posts: 27,662
    I am a fan of whoever makes the Dems the saddest
  • Member Posts: 29,457

    Once again, we as a country are arguing about the wrong things. Until the system in which we nominate a candidate for president is fixed, keeping or doing away with the Electoral College doesn’t matter much. This article from Stanford Magazine (hi @Gladstone!) articulates it nicely:

    “The current system is weighted too heavily in favor of celebrity appeal, demagogic displays and appeals to narrow special interests...

    ...For almost the first half century of the republic, presidential candidates were chosen by the caucuses of the two parties in the House and the Senate. That system worked well until the two-party system briefly died with the Federalist Party. It was replaced by party conventions, which eventually were replaced (almost) with strings of single or multiple state primaries and caucuses. It seems to me that the original system may have been superior to what we now have. The elected officials of both parties have incentives to choose candidates with an eye toward popular electability and governing skill...”


    I’m not saying we should return to the old way of nominating a presidential candidate, but after watching the shit show that was the Democratic debates I know something needs to change at that level before we start tinkering with anything else.

    That and the fact that literally no one wants the job. So the couple prior who would actually be good would never run.
  • Member Posts: 48,030

    King County’s white nationalists and protectionists are understandably melting down. Even those you would think know better.

    I don’t know what the fuck that means.

    And probably wouldn’t even without benefit of indica edibles and several shots of rye.

    Once again, we as a country are arguing about the wrong things. Until the system in which we nominate a candidate for president is fixed, keeping or doing away with the Electoral College doesn’t matter much. This article from Stanford Magazine (hi @Gladstone!) articulates it nicely:

    “The current system is weighted too heavily in favor of celebrity appeal, demagogic displays and appeals to narrow special interests...

    ...For almost the first half century of the republic, presidential candidates were chosen by the caucuses of the two parties in the House and the Senate. That system worked well until the two-party system briefly died with the Federalist Party. It was replaced by party conventions, which eventually were replaced (almost) with strings of single or multiple state primaries and caucuses. It seems to me that the original system may have been superior to what we now have. The elected officials of both parties have incentives to choose candidates with an eye toward popular electability and governing skill...”


    I’m not saying we should return to the old way of nominating a presidential candidate, but after watching the shit show that was the Democratic debates I know something needs to change at that level before we start tinkering with anything else.

    Is that a call for genocide?

    We'll allow it.

  • Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter

    I don’t know what the fuck that means.

    And probably wouldn’t even without benefit of indica edibles and several shots of rye. Is that a call for genocide?

    We'll allow it.


  • Member Posts: 23,897

    Think we found CollegeDoog’s dad. Is needing an ID to vote racist?
    Absolutely not.

    But if black people, poor people and college students were voting Republican, Republicans wouldn't be interested in this particular voter suppression scam.
  • Member Posts: 23,897

    Every vote does matter you dullard
    Really? So Hillary is the President?
  • Member Posts: 29,457
    HHusky said:

    Really? So Hillary is the President?
    The best part is that Races vote went to Hillary because the electoral college.
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,772 Founders Club
    I voted for Trump

    That's where my vote went

    California went to Hillary


    Note how I'm not crying like a bitch like hondo does
  • Member Posts: 17,554 Standard Supporter
    The tyranny of the majority is still a tyranny. Leftards love to control others. Liberty and freedom are overrated. The tug leftards love themselves some chicoms

  • Member Posts: 29,457

    I voted for Trump

    That's where my vote went

    California went to Hillary


    Note how I'm not crying like a bitch like hondo does

    But under the electoral college. Your vote went to Hillary. Mine went to spotted owl. HTH
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,772 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    But under the electoral college. Your vote went to Hillary. Mine went to spotted owl. HTH
    No it didn't

    My vote went to Trump

    You voted for Hillary

    You're still butthurt and crying like a bich because you lost

  • Member Posts: 29,457

    No it didn't

    My vote went to Trump

    You voted for Hillary

    You're still butthurt and crying like a bich because you lost

    Yeah I'm the one who sounds like they are crying. I'm laughing my ass off cause your vote going to Hillary.
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,772 Founders Club
    Trump won. Why would I be crying? I voted for him

    You lost and are still crying like a bitch
  • Member Posts: 37,781
    edited August 2019
    2001400ex said:

    But under the electoral college. Your vote went to Hillary. Mine went to spotted owl. HTH
    What part of 50 separate elections escapes you? Fuck head.
  • Member Posts: 15,288
    There's a more imminent threat coming from the fascist left, where states are passing laws to award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, which is another way to abolish electoral college without actually abolishing it. So basically this means if a red candidate won your state, but the blue candidate won the national popular vote, your state will give its electoral votes to the blue candidate, effectively overriding and removing the voting power of the citizens.

    The solution: Remove and imprison all state officials that have and are attempting to undermine the electoral college system.
  • Member Posts: 48,030
    edited August 2019

    There's a more imminent threat coming from the fascist left, where states are passing laws to award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, which is another way to abolish electoral college without actually abolishing it. So basically this means if a red candidate won your state, but the blue candidate won the national popular vote, your state will give its electoral votes to the blue candidate, effectively overriding and removing the voting power of the citizens.

    The solution: Remove and imprison all state officials that have and are attempting to undermine the electoral college system.

    M’eh. Only relevant in the whine ass coastal states.

    The inlands won’t change.

    Your perspective is warped living in the People’s Republics of Washington, Oregon and California.

    The SCOTUS will laugh that movement out.
  • Member Posts: 15,288

    M’eh. Only relevant in the whine ass coastal states.

    The inlands won’t change.

    Your perspective is warped living in the People’s Republics of Washington, Oregon and California.

    Disagree.



  • Member Posts: 27,662

    There's a more imminent threat coming from the fascist left, where states are passing laws to award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, which is another way to abolish electoral college without actually abolishing it. So basically this means if a red candidate won your state, but the blue candidate won the national popular vote, your state will give its electoral votes to the blue candidate, effectively overriding and removing the voting power of the citizens.

    The solution: Remove and imprison all state officials that have and are attempting to undermine the electoral college system.

    But the only states which will only vote blue do this
  • Member Posts: 23,897

    “The electoral college is antiquated!!!”

    What changed in the last 200+ years that makes it antiquated?


    “The person I hate won!!!!!!”

    OK!!!

    However much sense an Electoral College made with 13 states, culturally unique regions, no mass communication and transportation by horse, it makes little sense now.
  • Member Posts: 29,457
    HHusky said:

    However much sense an Electoral College made with 13 states, culturally unique regions, no mass communication and transportation by horse, it makes little sense now.
    Not to mention it was set up for electorates at the state to be able to vote for someone other than the person who won the state. Which of course basically doesn't happen outside of the three votes that went to spotted owl.
  • Member Posts: 37,781
    edited August 2019
    HHusky said:

    However much sense an Electoral College made with 13 states, culturally unique regions, no mass communication and transportation by horse, it makes little sense now.
    How so. Please explain. You didn’t make an argument.

    We still have culturally unique regions. Why is it antiquated?

    Saying they electoral college is antiquated is the equivalent to saying a representative republic is antiquated. I’m thinking leftists would agree a representative republic is antiquated though.
  • Member Posts: 48,030
    SCOTUS trumps state legislatures

    SWIDT?

  • Member Posts: 23,897
    There is far more homogeneity in American culture by region than existed in 1789. Most of those people regarded themselves as New Englanders, Virginians, etc. at least as much as they did Americans. And in an America that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, the risk that someone can win the popular vote merely by winning a landslide victory in any particular place is much less than it was then.
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,772 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    There is far more homogeneity in American culture by region than existed in 1789. Most of those people regarded themselves as New Englanders, Virginians, etc. at least as much as they did Americans. And in an America that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, the risk that someone can win the popular vote merely by winning a landslide victory in any particular place is much less than it was then.

    Bullshit

    California and New York

    Both states get electoral votes matching their population

    There aren't 57 electoral votes one for each state

    If California votes GOP the electoral college is great

  • Member Posts: 27,662
    HHusky said:

    There is far more homogeneity in American culture by region than existed in 1789. Most of those people regarded themselves as New Englanders, Virginians, etc. at least as much as they did Americans. And in an America that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, the risk that someone can win the popular vote merely by winning a landslide victory in any particular place is much less than it was then.

    I regard myself as a badass

    And I regard you as a pussy


    Change my mind.
  • Member Posts: 23,897

    Bullshit

    California and New York

    Both states get electoral votes matching their population

    There aren't 57 electoral votes one for each state

    If California votes GOP the electoral college is great

    Without an Electoral College, it would still make sense for Daddy to seek votes in California and New York. Right now, it doesn’t.

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