Welcome to the Hardcore Husky Forums. Folks who are well-known in Cyberland and not that dumb.
The Riddle of the Gun - Great piece by Sam Harris
Comments
-
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
You’re too modest. Most people would dislike you.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
Following this line of reasoning then why are people's 2nd amendment rights even up or open for discussion? The odds of you becoming a homicide by gun statistic are infinitely smaller than something as common as a drunk driver killing someone.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
And I can't speak to your life situation. Very different than mine I suspect. I have a close fren who is a county prosecutor in NH who puts away a lot of bad hombres. He packs and I get it.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
I agree. Because I'm not thinking of killing myself and I'm not in a gang or other criminal activity, the odds of me being affected by gun violence are minuscule. It's not going to affect me whether or not AR's have 10 round or 30 round mags. I don't care. I do care about the fact that over 50% of drivers in Seattle are not competent to operate a motor vehicle and yet they are allowed to do so.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Following this line of reasoning then why are people's 2nd amendment rights even up or open for discussion? The odds of you becoming a homicide by gun statistic are infinitely smaller than something as common as a drunk driver killing someone.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
Because driving is a right! oh...YellowSnow said:
I agree. Because I'm not thinking of killing myself and I'm not in a gang or other criminal activity, the odds of me being affected by gun violence are minuscule. It's not going to affect me whether or not AR's have 10 round or 30 round mags. I don't care. I do care about the fact that over 50% of drivers in Seattle are not competent to operate a motor vehicle and yet they are allowed to do so.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Following this line of reasoning then why are people's 2nd amendment rights even up or open for discussion? The odds of you becoming a homicide by gun statistic are infinitely smaller than something as common as a drunk driver killing someone.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
Most of us shouldn’t carry. I’m not ever going to put in the time to know what I’m doing and I know full well that my odds of being struck by lightning are greater than the odds a gun would ever be useful to me. But despite all this, I wouldn’t have any difficulty buying a gun, and that’s a large part of the problem.Swaye said:
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying. -
The guiding principle should always be your rights end when then infringe upon another humans. And @Sledog 's or @Swaye 's nut jerb arsenals don't impact my life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hell, I'd like to go shoot beer cans with 'em some Tim. But my rights are being severely impacted by the City of Seattle letting bad humans shit in public a half mile from my house. Doesn't make much sense does it?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Because driving is a right! oh...YellowSnow said:
I agree. Because I'm not thinking of killing myself and I'm not in a gang or other criminal activity, the odds of me being affected by gun violence are minuscule. It's not going to affect me whether or not AR's have 10 round or 30 round mags. I don't care. I do care about the fact that over 50% of drivers in Seattle are not competent to operate a motor vehicle and yet they are allowed to do so.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Following this line of reasoning then why are people's 2nd amendment rights even up or open for discussion? The odds of you becoming a homicide by gun statistic are infinitely smaller than something as common as a drunk driver killing someone.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
One of the Tug statists, can't remember which, has had the honesty to say ze wants the 2A repealed or modified. I vehemently disagree with that but it is the honest discussion. Piecemeal statutory restrictions and encumberments are not honest. We! have allowed too much of that erosion of the Bill of Rights.
-
How so? You have a constitutional right to buy one. Unless you've been precluded because of criminal convictions or mental illness why shouldn't you be able to?HHusky said:
Most of us shouldn’t carry. I’m not ever going to put in the time to know what I’m doing and I know full well that my odds of being struck by lightning are greater than the odds a gun would ever be useful to me. But despite all this, I wouldn’t have any difficulty buying a gun, and that’s a large part of the problem.Swaye said:
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying.
Don't have to do shit to go vote. Don't even have to be a citizen. -
The Second Amendment isn’t treated as an absolute right in practice, but if we have to amend it in order to acknowledge what we actually do in in the real world, it’s fine by me.GrundleStiltzkin said:One of the Tug statists, can't remember which, has had the honesty to say ze wants the 2A repealed or modified. I vehemently disagree with that but it is the honest discussion. Piecemeal statutory restrictions and encumberments are not honest. We! have allowed too much of that erosion of the Bill of Rights.
-
How so?HHusky said:
The Second Amendment isn’t treated as an absolute right in practice, but if we have to amend it in order to acknowledge what we actually do in in the real world, it’s fine by me.GrundleStiltzkin said:One of the Tug statists, can't remember which, has had the honesty to say ze wants the 2A repealed or modified. I vehemently disagree with that but it is the honest discussion. Piecemeal statutory restrictions and encumberments are not honest. We! have allowed too much of that erosion of the Bill of Rights.
-
If you’re concerned about possibilities, you’d get more bang for your buck wearing an impact cushioning helmet at all times.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
Odd you said that I just saw this: This guys mom packs always and left it at home before they went to WalMart that day......
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/el-paso-shooting-chris-cuomo-gun-grandma/? -
My experience tells me that being the victim of violent crime sucks. I've seen the results.HHusky said:
If you’re concerned about possibilities, you’d get more bang for your buck wearing an impact cushioning helmet at all times.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
Odd you said that I just saw this: This guys mom packs always and left it at home before they went to WalMart that day......
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/el-paso-shooting-chris-cuomo-gun-grandma/?
It's pretty obvious you haven't followed your own advice. -
FTFY.HHusky said:
Most of us shouldn’t carry. I’m not ever going to put in the time to know what I’m doing and I know full well that my odds of being struck by lightning are greater than the odds a gun would ever beSwaye said:
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying.useful toused against me in a mass shooting. But despite all this, I wouldn’t have any difficulty buying a gun, and that’s a large part of the problem. -
What I like and respect about you is that while you find that carrying a weapon as a law abiding citizen isn't something that interests you, you seem to have enough respect for my rights to not want it banned for me. I get why some people don't want to carry - takes a great deal of training to not fuck it up, large responsibility to do it properly, makes dressing in the summer a bitch, etc., and all for a very low percentage chance you will ever need to use it. But, as long as you don't try to shit all over my rights, then I'm cool. It's the faggots who want me to conform to their worldview that annoy me.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
Swaye said:
What I like and respect about you is that while you find that carrying a weapon as a law abiding citizen isn't something that interests you, you seem to have enough respect for my rights to not want it banned for me. I get why some people don't want to carry - takes a great deal of training to not fuck it up, large responsibility to do it properly, makes dressing in the summer a bitch, etc., and all for a very low percentage chance you will ever need to use it. But, as long as you don't try to shit all over my rights, then I'm cool. It's the faggots who want me to conform to their worldview that annoy me.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
-
I'm a huge 2A proponent and have not ever owned a gun. I know MY RIGHTS are better protected bc people do though and damn sure don't trust the government to do that. TYFYS in other words.Swaye said:
What I like and respect about you is that while you find that carrying a weapon as a law abiding citizen isn't something that interests you, you seem to have enough respect for my rights to not want it banned for me. I get why some people don't want to carry - takes a great deal of training to not fuck it up, large responsibility to do it properly, makes dressing in the summer a bitch, etc., and all for a very low percentage chance you will ever need to use it. But, as long as you don't try to shit all over my rights, then I'm cool. It's the faggots who want me to conform to their worldview that annoy me.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier. -
You don't know the difference between a gay dude and a fag. Pathetic.HHusky said:
You say it like it's a bad thing.TurdBomber said:
And you're a fag. So what?HHusky said:
Your quarrel is with Sled.TurdBomber said:
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.
Not surprising that a shitty lawyer who can't get his facts straight could be so ignorant. -
My God. What a fag.HHusky said:
You must be fun to shower with.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
Yes. Many cartel people.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
lol -
Swaye said:
What I like and respect about you is that while you find that carrying a weapon as a law abiding citizen isn't something that interests you, you seem to have enough respect for my rights to not want it banned for me. I get why some people don't want to carry - takes a great deal of training to not fuck it up, large responsibility to do it properly, makes dressing in the summer a bitch, etc., and all for a very low percentage chance you will ever need to use it. But, as long as you don't try to shit all over my rights, then I'm cool. It's the faggots who want me to conform to their worldview that annoy me.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
Fuck yeah. This is how i feel, too. I have never owned a gun. So giving up the right to own a gun won't affect me much. So if I sat here and was all like "everyone else needs to give up their guns", then I would feel like I am being a complete fucking douchebag asshole dipshit fuckhole.
And fuck, if I stick up for gun owners right to own guns, then maybe gun owners will stick up for my right to own video games when the government starts to come for them. Or maybe free speech. Or anything. We all gotta start sticking up for each other and respecting each other. We start practicing these kinds of habit where we stick up for other people's rights, then there will be less violence in this country. Win-win situation. -
6 years working major narcotics in the Los Angeles HIDTA group. It's all cartels, dingus. You can look HIDTA up yourself.dflea said:
Yes. Many cartel people.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
lol -
I'm sorry. You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares.Sledog said:
6 years working major narcotics in the Los Angeles HIDTA group. It's all cartels, dingus. You can look HIDTA up yourself.dflea said:
Yes. Many cartel people.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
lol
-
I don't make shit up. I don't have to.dflea said:
I'm sorry. You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares.Sledog said:
6 years working major narcotics in the Los Angeles HIDTA group. It's all cartels, dingus. You can look HIDTA up yourself.dflea said:
Yes. Many cartel people.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
lol -
One of my best friends growing up worked the same group from about 2008-2015? Crazy fuckin' stories.Sledog said:
6 years working major narcotics in the Los Angeles HIDTA group. It's all cartels, dingus. You can look HIDTA up yourself.dflea said:
Yes. Many cartel people.Sledog said:
To each his own. It's your decision. A lot of people don't like me because I put them in prison. Many cartel people included.YellowSnow said:
Right, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about 1 in million stuff. I am more concerned about car accidents and my kids getting sick than hypotheticals where a gun will save my life. I've got the shot barrel 12'er for possible civil disorder in Seattle post earthquake, camping in the woods near meth heads, home invasion, etc. Beyond that I'm never in a scenario worth worrying about.Sledog said:
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
lol -
Depends on who you ask and your definition of "shall not be infringed". But to start, try buying a fully automatic weapon and tell me if your rights are infringed. If you go by sledogs definition, then background checks, 3 day waiting period, etc. all infringe on his rights.GrundleStiltzkin said:
How so?HHusky said:
The Second Amendment isn’t treated as an absolute right in practice, but if we have to amend it in order to acknowledge what we actually do in in the real world, it’s fine by me.GrundleStiltzkin said:One of the Tug statists, can't remember which, has had the honesty to say ze wants the 2A repealed or modified. I vehemently disagree with that but it is the honest discussion. Piecemeal statutory restrictions and encumberments are not honest. We! have allowed too much of that erosion of the Bill of Rights.
-
You are correct for once. They do infringe. Did they have ANY firearm purchase restrictions at the time of the birth of our nation?2001400ex said:
Depends on who you ask and your definition of "shall not be infringed". But to start, try buying a fully automatic weapon and tell me if your rights are infringed. If you go by sledogs definition, then background checks, 3 day waiting period, etc. all infringe on his rights.GrundleStiltzkin said:
How so?HHusky said:
The Second Amendment isn’t treated as an absolute right in practice, but if we have to amend it in order to acknowledge what we actually do in in the real world, it’s fine by me.GrundleStiltzkin said:One of the Tug statists, can't remember which, has had the honesty to say ze wants the 2A repealed or modified. I vehemently disagree with that but it is the honest discussion. Piecemeal statutory restrictions and encumberments are not honest. We! have allowed too much of that erosion of the Bill of Rights.
Fuck no.
I.D. to show you are the person that's supposed to be voting is a huge infringement in your mind but ID ffees, taxes, waiting periods, training, background checks and all you communist propose isn't. Odd you would think you want people voting that aren't supposed to. -
I would totally conceal/carry but I have obstacles with my running outfits going to and from work
