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The Riddle of the Gun - Great piece by Sam Harris
YellowSnow
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Don't agree with every argument here, but this is a worthwhile (TL;DR) piece by Sam Harris.
https://samharris.org/the-riddle-of-the-gun/
https://samharris.org/the-riddle-of-the-gun/
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I would love to see a NY Times journalist debate Sam.
Excellent article. -
Wrong on many points. There is some reasonable logic but not that much. If he's intelligent and can't figure out how an organization composed of 6 million people can't be effective in advocating for a political cause? It's not the gun industry they are protecting it is the protection of constitutional rights. Rights the left hates and wants removed. The ACLU won't touch anything 2A they hate the 2nd.
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Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read. -
Good article.
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Some of the questions he answers here, w,jw
https://samharris.org/faq-on-violence/ -
The one posted. We have differing knowledge bases.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
"I share their outrage over the political influence of the National Rifle Association"
"Ordinary altercations can become needlessly deadly in the presence of a weapon."
He spits out a few non factual items. He does make valid points as well. He's better than most but still repeats a few talking points as fact.
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Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid= -
I will watch it.Sledog said:Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid= -
He has some funny videos.Sledog said:Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid= -
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.
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"Bad guys" is too simplistic. I'd support most recommendations to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines. -
Your quarrel is with Sled.TurdBomber said:
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.
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And you're a fag. So what?HHusky said:
Your quarrel is with Sled.TurdBomber said:
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means. -
You say it like it's a bad thing.TurdBomber said:
And you're a fag. So what?HHusky said:
Your quarrel is with Sled.TurdBomber said:
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means. -
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
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Crazy purple shouldn't get guns. I agree completely. If your taking any pyschotropic drug you should be on a list. HTHHHusky said:
Your quarrel is with Sled.TurdBomber said:
Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.jecornel said:
Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.
References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means. -
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
MallCop: "Crazy purple shouldn't get guns. I agree completely. If your taking any pyschotropic drug you should be on a list. HTH"
Yeah, you just don't want anyone drawing any "unfair" conclusions about the sanity of a fucking nut job who believes the Seth Rich conspiracy, for example. -
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
You must be fun to shop with.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
You wouldn't like it as I don't hit the cosmetics isle.HHusky said:
You must be fun to shop with.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
It shows.Sledog said:
You wouldn't like it as I don't hit the cosmetics isle.HHusky said:
You must be fun to shop with.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives. -
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons. -
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying.
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And I don't have a problem with people carrying per say, but it's simply just an aspect of gun culture in America that I've always found so silly. People obsess over all this what-if / hypothetical bull shit- e.g., what happens if I run into a guy high on PCP and I only have 9mm when I really needed 10mm. But then they'll go ride motor cycles or get fat and die of heart disease. Life is all about calculated risk and there's shit to worry about and stuff that's a waste of time.Swaye said:
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying. -
I've had a CPL for 15 years or so. In the area where I work, the number of vagrants/addicts around has increased over the years and I now carry regularly. I've had a few unsettling run-ins but nothing close to drawing.Swaye said:
I tend to agree that the odds are very highly against me ever having to use a gun outside of my home (home invasion/burglary scenario). And hell, they are quite small even in an in home scenario.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
That said, I am from the school of thinking that I would rather have it and not need it, than the reverse. I was first licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas 25 years ago. Was later licensed in WA, FL, TX again, and finally VA. I spent 7 years unable to get a license in CA and MD (thanks Navy). In my 18 years of carrying concealed I have never had to use a gun, or really even be close to having to use it. I am thankful for that. I don't want to have to shoot anyone, even Brownsox. But I'd hate to get shot even more. So I will keep carrying. -
True but that doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. I don't plan for the best scenario. Most victims say "I thought something like this would never happen to me". Except gang members they know it's coming.YellowSnow said:
All bull shitting around, what are the odds that any of us will ever be out somewhere in public and having the piece will save ours or a family member's life? Unless you're someone who spends a lot of time in higher risk areas, you're far more likely to die from any manner of other shit, than you are being "the good guy with a gun" hero.Sledog said:
Feel free to cower in a fucking corner helplessly while they murder your family in front of you. That's your choice.HHusky said:
Okay Captain Queeg. We got the picture.Sledog said:
You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.HHusky said:
Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.Sledog said:
These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.TurdBomber said:
DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.jecornel said:Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.
I'm not sure what article you read.
And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.
The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.
I love my gun. I don't think it will ever get used most likely in my life other that against beer cans and watermelons.
It 's like life insurance. Only handier.
Odd you said that I just saw this: This guys mom packs always and left it at home before they went to WalMart that day......
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/el-paso-shooting-chris-cuomo-gun-grandma/?
