How Finland Slashed Homelessness by 40%
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It’s the opioid epidemiccreepycoug said:
Well, they? tell me it's the opiod epidemic. I frankly don't know. Sounds plausible, but we've also always had very addictive drugs. Why wasn't there a crack and meth epidemic leading to so much homelessness.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole. -
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
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It's drug abuse and mental illness. The cost of housing argument is a destructive red herringMikeDamone said:Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.
Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off. -
@SFGbob thinks so...wasn't like that when I lived in San Diego County.RaceBannon said:Even San Diego has a rat problem. Sad to see how far its fallen
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Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.
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What are you talking about??? If we could just lower the price of a cap hill studio to $1500 a month all those bridge junkies would suddenly be able to afford Seattle housing!MikeDamone said:Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.
Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off. -
Hey we agree, you’re still a dumbfuckdflea said:Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.
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It was bound to happen eventually with you being wrong 99.81% of the time. Here's your .19%. Enjoy it.SFGbob said:
Hey we agree, you’re still a dumbfuckdflea said:Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.
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Good parenting. Now all you have to decide is when to show them your stash, before they find it first. G'Luck, Dad.YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole. -
Throw the trap and all in your neighbor's garbage. Problem solved.YellowSnow said:
I get a rat in my garage about 1 to 2 times a year. The old Victor traps work great. But I fear I am going to get typhus or plague once the LA rats make their way up to Seattle.SFGbob said:Btw, has anyone been to LA lately and driven around town? Talk about a fucking bum explosion. I've not been to Seattle in years but LA is being over run.
I fucking hate medieval diseases and measles too (hi @MikeDamone ) -
Bob hates facts. The homeless population in LA is less now than in 05. It decreased under Obama and increase under Trump.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
http://www.laalmanac.com/social/so14.php -
Because people are busy and work on crack and meth. Opioids are heavy depressants.creepycoug said:
Well, they? tell me it's the opiod epidemic. I frankly don't know. Sounds plausible, but we've also always had very addictive drugs. Why wasn't there a crack and meth epidemic leading to so much homelessness.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole. -
PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them. -
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
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News flash! Consumers of central nervous system stimulants have plenty of energy to go steal lots of stuff to pay for their addiction. In their spare time they dismantle everything they touch and scratch themselves a lot.creepycoug said:
Well, they? tell me it's the opiod epidemic. I frankly don't know. Sounds plausible, but we've also always had very addictive drugs. Why wasn't there a crack and meth epidemic leading to so much homelessness.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole. -
Obama and Trump have nothing to do with the LA homeless population. HTH.2001400ex said:
Bob hates facts. The homeless population in LA is less now than in 05. It decreased under Obama and increase under Trump.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
http://www.laalmanac.com/social/so14.php -
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
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I'm not sure I said there was a correlation. I was more calling Bob a fucktard for acting like the homeless issue is worse now than the good ole days.MikeDamone said:
Obama and Trump have nothing to do with the LA homeless population. HTH.2001400ex said:
Bob hates facts. The homeless population in LA is less now than in 05. It decreased under Obama and increase under Trump.SFGbob said:
We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
http://www.laalmanac.com/social/so14.php -
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages. -
Being this stupid takes effort. I revise any earlier remarks where I called you lazy.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
Clearly you are working very hard at idiocy. -
Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears.
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Oh homelessness is heading to the Eastside my friend. More and more in Bellevue all the time.creepycoug said:
Seattle is being overrun. No doubt about it.SFGbob said:Btw, has anyone been to LA lately and driven around town? Talk about a fucking bum explosion. I've not been to Seattle in years but LA is being over run.
Not on the east side ... really at all. But Seattle proper absolutely. From SoDo all the way to Belltown and lower Queen Anne. -
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears. -
Seattle has always had a homeless problem to some degree, but seeing firsthand the rapid expansion this far north really is stunning. Seattle is Freeattling itself into a first rate shit hole.YellowSnow said:
There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole. -
The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.2001400ex said:
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears. -
Actually it would under the right circumstances.PurpleThrobber said:
The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.2001400ex said:
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears. -
So we expect the free market to keep the rivers clean but not the public sidewalks?PurpleThrobber said:
The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.2001400ex said:
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears. -
You're confusing me with someone else in terms of economic theory and the purpose/scope of non-market forces - there is a role for government, one of which is enforcement of laws -including vagrancy, panhandling, illegal drug use and indecent exposure.2001400ex said:
So we expect the free market to keep the rivers clean but not the public sidewalks?PurpleThrobber said:
The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.2001400ex said:
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears.
The Throbber is the right middle quartile of the bell curve. Maybe even closer to the middle left of the bell than most might think.
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Well that's fair. You were just responding to my critique of Damoan/libertarians.PurpleThrobber said:
You're confusing me with someone else in terms of economic theory and the purpose/scope of non-market forces - there is a role for government, one of which is enforcement of laws -including vagrancy, panhandling, illegal drug use and indecent exposure.2001400ex said:
So we expect the free market to keep the rivers clean but not the public sidewalks?PurpleThrobber said:
The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.2001400ex said:
But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?PurpleThrobber said:Gwad said:
Disagree.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.2001400ex said:
Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?PurpleThrobber said:
If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.2001400ex said:PurpleThrobber said:
We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.creepycoug said:
Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.SFGbob said:Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.
But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.
The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.
The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.
UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.
That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears.
The Throbber is the right middle quartile of the bell curve. Maybe even closer to the middle left of the bell than most might think. -
If this had anything to do with a true free market, people would pay to have some fuckers round them all up and dump them in another town. LIke an HOA situation.
