Lincoln was a POS

YellowSnow said:

MikeDamone said:

YellowSnow said:

MikeDamone said:

YellowSnow said:

MikeDamone said:

PurpleJ said:

Sounds like Damone supports slavery.

It was on it’s way out, Lincoln or no Lincoln.

England needed it 37 years earlier with no war.

Huh? Lincoln and the Republican Party only wanted to stop spread of slavery and had no plans to eliminate where it already existed. He even said he would have kept slavery to preserve the Union. And they still seceded in spite of this and then proceeded to start the war by firing on federal property. So what makes you think it was on the way out in 1860?

Technology was ending it rapidly. Are you suggesting that without Lincoln slavery Wouk seems still exist ? England ended it 3 decades sooner. It was on its last legs.

The emancipation proclamation had no authority in the south.

What are you talking about relating to technology? Cotton was still picked by hand for like 100 years after the civil war. The southern sharecropping system in much of the 20th century didn’t look much different from slavery in terms of how the crop was planted and harvested.

Additionally, you yourself in another thread implied to immense cost involved to the British treasury in emancipating just a few Caribbean slaves. And that this might have been unworkable on the scale needed in the US.

I’m not saying slavery would have lasted to well into the 20th century so don’t fucking twist. But it wasn’t anywhere close to being dead in 1860. Shit in Brazil it lasted till 1888.

It was on it’s way out. Not just cotton picking machines. The industrial revolution was starting. The distaste for slavery was growing rapidly. You probably think child labor laws ended child labor....

Wouldn’t the cost to the treasury been preferable to a brutal war. The most costly and deadly in our history?

Of course the cost to the treasury would have far more preferable than the war but that’s with the benefit of hindsight. Distaste for slavey was growing but not that much. Shit a hell of a lot of northern congress members voted against the 13th Ammendment even in 1865.

Just like today, the NYC Dems of Tammany Hall hated the blacks and voted against Lincoln. The Irish didn’t want the competition for low skilled jobs from the freed slaves.

Timothy Egan has a good book called The Immortal Irishman that goes into great detail on immigration, the Irish and their role in the draft riots among other things.

Sledog said:

Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.

All anyone needs to know.

You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

ApostleofGrief said:

Sledog said:

Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.

All anyone needs to know.

You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.

Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.

No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.

My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

ApostleofGrief said:

Sledog said:

Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.

All anyone needs to know.

You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.

Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.

No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.

My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.

I try to keep it simple.

Oh dear, this again.

I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.

I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.

Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/

Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one.

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

ApostleofGrief said:

Sledog said:

Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.

All anyone needs to know.

You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.

Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.

No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.

My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.

I try to keep it simple.

Simplistic even.

See even you understood!

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

ApostleofGrief said:

Sledog said:

Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.

All anyone needs to know.

You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.

Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.

No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.

My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.

I try to keep it simple.

Simplistic even.

See even you understood!

Better!

HHusky said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Oh dear, this again.

I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.

I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.

Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/

Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one.

Read one of them. Fucking awful.

Yeah, I’m bracing myself for some pretty poor writing.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

There's only one side, the central banks. Bankers, most of them foreign, still own and control the USA. The Civil War was just another banking war. America never really escaped British rule. America went to war against itself in order to preserve the wealth and power of the Rothschild banking cartel.

Stop showing off! This is Mike’s chance to be nuts.