Lincoln was a POS
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Simplistic even.Sledog said:
I try to keep it simple.HHusky said:
My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.Sledog said:
No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.HHusky said:
Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.ApostleofGrief said:
You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.Sledog said:Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.
All anyone needs to know. -
Oh dear, this again.
I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.
I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.
Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/
Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one. -
Read one of them. Fucking awful.Doog_de_Jour said:Oh dear, this again.
I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.
I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.
Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/
Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one. -
See even you understood!HHusky said:
Simplistic even.Sledog said:
I try to keep it simple.HHusky said:
My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.Sledog said:
No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.HHusky said:
Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.ApostleofGrief said:
You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.Sledog said:Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.
All anyone needs to know. -
The other flaw in the “slavery was on its way out” is the structure of the US Constitution. Our situation wasn’t anything at all the British Empire (no “Capital C” Constitution) banning slavery in its colonies by Act of Parliament.
Public opinion in favor of slavery showed no sign of changing in the south in 1860. Northerners could hem and haw all they want but short of Constitutional Amendment - which was still needed even after the North had won BTW - slavery wasn’t going away.
Where were the 2/3 of the Senate votes going to come from and 3/4 of State legislatures? Point being, the Dirty South could have dragged that process out well into the 20th Century. -
Better!Sledog said:
See even you understood!HHusky said:
Simplistic even.Sledog said:
I try to keep it simple.HHusky said:
My family were founders of the Republican Party. I find you very amusing in a low brow way.Sledog said:
No one needs you to ramble on trying to protect your Democrat hero's.HHusky said:
Don’t be criticizing the Classic Comics history of the Civil War.ApostleofGrief said:
You oversimplify reality to the point of fiction. In dumb Trump speak you create fake news.Sledog said:Republicans died to free slaves. Democrats died trying to keep slavery.
All anyone needs to know. -
Slaves were property. Surely our property rights scholars understand that the peculiar institution wasn’t just going to fade away.YellowSnow said:The other flaw in the “slavery was on its way out” is the structure of the US Constitution. Our situation wasn’t anything at all the British Empire (no “Capital C” Constitution) banning slavery in its colonies by Act of Parliament.
Public opinion in favor of slavery showed no sign of changing in the south in 1860. Northerners could hem and haw all they want but short of Constitutional Amendment - which was still needed even after the North had won BTW - slavery wasn’t going away.
Where were the 2/3 of the Senate votes going to come from and 3/4 of State legislatures? Point being, the Dirty South could have dragged that process out well into the 20th Century. -
Yeah, I’m bracing myself for some pretty poor writing.HHusky said:
Read one of them. Fucking awful.Doog_de_Jour said:Oh dear, this again.
I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.
I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.
Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/
Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one. -
Economists should stay in their own lane.Doog_de_Jour said:
Yeah, I’m bracing myself for some pretty poor writing.HHusky said:
Read one of them. Fucking awful.Doog_de_Jour said:Oh dear, this again.
I haven’t had the time, but there are a couple of books by an economics professor named Thomas DiLorenzo who shares @MikeDamone’s low opinions of Lincoln that I’d like to read out of curiosity, even though I hear they’re pretty bad.
I do disagree with the notion that slavery was on it’s last legs come the time of the Civil War. Even with the technological advancements of the Industrial Revolution taking hold, that was mostly in the North. Lands gained from the Mexican-American War were being carved up, and the Southern states wanted to expand slavery into those territories, even eyeing the possibility of taking over Central America and Cuba.
Yes, Lincoln was no angel. He suspended Habeas Corpus and toyed with the idea of shipping slaves to colonies. In most of the biographies it’s pointed out that he could also be coldly calculating at times...he was after all a politician.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lincolns-contested-legacy-44978351/
Still, I would not characterize him as a POS. While it’s true people put him on a pedestal, he was still a great leader, albeit an imperfect one. -
