Keith Brown, 2021 4* LB, Lebanon (OR), (Offered 5/17/19)

FKA_Mousecop said:

Apparently Calvert will probably end up outside, so Calvert at BUCK/SAM and This kid and Latu at MIKE and WILL respectively.

@Sources?

dnc said:

FKA_Mousecop said:

Apparently Calvert will probably end up outside, so Calvert at BUCK/SAM and This kid and Latu at MIKE and WILL respectively.

@Sources?

"Not sure if he'll make it up this weekend or not, but it sounds like Washington is in great shape with him. Unlike his brother Joshua, the youngest Calvert is more of an edge player and will likely wind up as an OLB or a BUCK/JACK in Washington's system."

-Eklund's blog post yesterday: https://247sports.com/college/washington/Board/102668/Contents/Recruiting-Blog-617-132927203/

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

Tequilla said:

This is beyond fucktarded ...

Yes, UW plays essentially a 4-2-5 ... but it's really a 2-2-2-5

Depending on opponent, we'll play a bit of a 3-3-5 by getting bigger in the trenches

The BUCK is going to be a bigger player typically on average ... the other side is going to be a tad more versatile as there's going to be more coverage associated with it.

That's not saying that he's going to be an ILB or OLB, just that LIPO

There are only three levels of defense. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about with the 2-2-2-5 shit. That makes no sense. It's a 4-2-5 most downs. That's it.

The 3-3-5 is not for "getting bigger in the trenches". It's for dropping eight into coverage against air raid offenses and in 3rd and long situations.

Cool, the SAM backer drops into coverage more than the Buck. No fucking shit Sherlock. The SAM also has to be just as much of a pass rushing defensive end as the Buck. Ethan has zero experience rushing off the edge. Do you not understand what the fuck I just said. Ethan plays TRUE OLB off the ball in high school. Not OLB/DE on the edge.

At what point did you at all make an argument as to why Calvert would be better as an OLB/DE in UW's defense than an ILB when he plays zero DE in high school you fucking moron? You wanna take Ektard's word for it? Good luck with that.

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

Calvert is no Wooching. No way he could make it outside.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

It's a weak side DE position that drops into a basic zone coverage in the flat on occasion. It's a Von Miller kind of position. You're right it does. I don't know how the fuck people don't get it by now.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

It's a weak side DE position that drops into a basic zone coverage in the flat on occasion. It's a Von Miller kind of position. You're right it does. I don't know how the fuck people don't get it by now.

Yes I agree, just like Von Miller, the outside linebacker. Anyways, trying to strictly label SAM as either an OLB or a DE is flagrantly wrong. It's obviously a hybrid position with elements of both. Yet that didn't stop you from going full Ballz on Teq.

But we've had this exact discussion before, so let's skip the next five pages of replies.

It's 80%-95% a defensive end position. It varies based on personnel.

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

It's a weak side DE position that drops into a basic zone coverage in the flat on occasion. It's a Von Miller kind of position. You're right it does. I don't know how the fuck people don't get it by now.

Yes I agree, just like Von Miller, the outside linebacker. Anyways, trying to strictly label SAM as either an OLB or a DE is flagrantly wrong. It's obviously a hybrid position with elements of both. Yet that didn't stop you from going full Ballz on Teq.

But we've had this exact discussion before, so let's skip the next five pages of replies.

It's 80% a defensive end position.

That plays standing up and is recruited for LB body types.

Furthermore, we've had far more players move back and forth between ILB and SAM than we have between SAM and DL.

It's its own thing but it's more a LB than a DL.

No, it's not. We try to recruit DE body types for it. Myles Rice, Zion Tupuola-Fetui, Ryan Bowman. Buck and SAM are interchangeable and every guy has to know and play both positions. The body types range mostly from 240-275 pounds. It's a DE position. We don't want a lot of tweeners who are too small to hold the edge against the run like Ngata. When they recruited him, they thought he's be able to bulk up more than he has.

If they play DE the vast majority of the time it's a fucking DE position you idiot.

Fucking Coach K has corrected the stupid ass media on this shit a million times. He says "we call them outside linebackers but they're basically defensive ends in our defense." But you just want to keep going round and round and round every year on this shit that is plain as day.

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

It's a weak side DE position that drops into a basic zone coverage in the flat on occasion. It's a Von Miller kind of position. You're right it does. I don't know how the fuck people don't get it by now.

Yes I agree, just like Von Miller, the outside linebacker. Anyways, trying to strictly label SAM as either an OLB or a DE is flagrantly wrong. It's obviously a hybrid position with elements of both. Yet that didn't stop you from going full Ballz on Teq.

But we've had this exact discussion before, so let's skip the next five pages of replies.

It's 80% a defensive end position.

That plays standing up and is recruited for LB body types.

Furthermore, we've had far more players move back and forth between ILB and SAM than we have between SAM and DL.

It's its own thing but it's more a LB than a DL.

No, it's not. We try to recruit DE body types for it. Myles Rice, Zion Tupuola-Fetui, Ryan Bowman. Buck and SAM are interchangeable and every guy has to know and play both positions. The body types range mostly from 240-275 pounds. It's a DE position. We don't want a lot of tweeners who are too small to hold the edge against the run like Ngata. When they recruited him, they thought he's be able to bulk up more than he has.

If they play DE the vast majority of the time it's a fucking DE position you idiot.

Fucking Coach K has corrected the stupid ass media on this shit a million times. He says "we call them outside linebackers but they're basically defensive ends in our defense."

You had to list Myles Rice and a fucking walk on to get to three examples.

You already lost.

I could list the entire fucking depth chart you idiot. The only ones that are smaller than ideal DE body types are Ngata and walk on Ulofoshio. But both played DE in high school so it's not a big transition for them to do so at UW while also playing inside backer. Those are situational pass rush guys. Not every down guys on the outside.

Look at our last recruiting class. Latu is 270+ and Trice is 235 and will be 260 in a couple years. That's what we want on the edge. Big and fast and long.

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

dnc said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

StrongArmCobra said:

Eklund is a retard. Ethan Calvert plays true OLB in his high school defense because they run a 4-3. In UW's 4-2 defense, OLB is a DE. UW does not want him as a DE. He will get zero DE experience in high school. He's one of the best off-the-ball linebackers in his class. You don't try to turn him into a project DE in college. That's retarded. Yes, we have guys on the team right now that play both ILB and OLB. That's because they both played DE/OLB in high school and have the versatile skill set and experience to do so. Calvert won't. He's an ILB recruit for UW.

So you think our SAM is the near equivalent of a 4-3 DE? I swear this fucking topic repeats itself every summer.

It's a weak side DE position that drops into a basic zone coverage in the flat on occasion. It's a Von Miller kind of position. You're right it does. I don't know how the fuck people don't get it by now.

Yes I agree, just like Von Miller, the outside linebacker. Anyways, trying to strictly label SAM as either an OLB or a DE is flagrantly wrong. It's obviously a hybrid position with elements of both. Yet that didn't stop you from going full Ballz on Teq.

But we've had this exact discussion before, so let's skip the next five pages of replies.

It's 80% a defensive end position.

That plays standing up and is recruited for LB body types.

Furthermore, we've had far more players move back and forth between ILB and SAM than we have between SAM and DL.

It's its own thing but it's more a LB than a DL.

No, it's not. We try to recruit DE body types for it. Myles Rice, Zion Tupuola-Fetui, Ryan Bowman. Buck and SAM are interchangeable and every guy has to know and play both positions. The body types range mostly from 240-275 pounds. It's a DE position. We don't want a lot of tweeners who are too small to hold the edge against the run like Ngata. When they recruited him, they thought he's be able to bulk up more than he has.

If they play DE the vast majority of the time it's a fucking DE position you idiot.

Fucking Coach K has corrected the stupid ass media on this shit a million times. He says "we call them outside linebackers but they're basically defensive ends in our defense."

You had to list Myles Rice and a fucking walk on to get to three examples.

You already lost.

I could list the entire fucking depth chart you idiot. The only ones that are smaller than ideal DE body types are Ngata and walk on Ulofoshio. But both played DE in high school so it's not a big transition for them to do so at UW while also playing inside backer. Those are situational pass rush guys. Not every down guys on the outside.

Look at our last recruiting class. Latu is 270+ and Trice is 235 and will be 260 in a couple years. That's what we want on the edge. Big and fast and long.

Besides Zion what players have we ever argued about whether they'd be edge or DL? There's a full separation between those positions.

We've argued over plenty of players whether they'd be ILB or OLB. Wellington, Ngata, Tevis, etc.

The edge rushers have much more in common with OLB than they do with DL.

Honk em.

Benning has moved from OLB to D-line. We've talked about Zion possibly growing into a D-lineman. Same with Latu.

Nobody has ever said shit about Wellington playing on the edge. He's barely 6'0 tall and 225 pounds.

Tevis was fucking terrible at OLB. He was always playing out of position. He fucking sucked. He had to play OLB most of his career because we had nobody else at the time. Playing Ethan Calvert at SAM would be just like playing Tevis at SAM. It's not his natural position and his potential as a player would be diminished.

No they fucking don't you idiot. They play on the D-line. They are D-lineman. Most of them are too big to play ILB. Sure SOME DE's are small and fast enough to play ILB like Von Miller and Clay Mathews, but most are not. You're arguing for the minority at the position.

Your argument is fucking retarded. How the edge guys compare size wise to D-tackles compared to inside backers is fucking irrelevant. Defensive ends have always been a lot smaller than defensive tackles. If they play DE, they are DE's.