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#HandsOffVenezuela

GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,493 Standard Supporter
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"... might mean blood on your hands."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKVakhcm5ko

She is annoying AF, but also right on this particular point.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,794 Standard Supporter


    Invasion! NOW!
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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    I watched it.

    Not sure what to say. She has a balanced, nuance take on a political issue.







    TF is this doing here?
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  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,335 Founders Club
    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

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  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,335 Founders Club
    Uno mas (isafnrc) .....




    https://youtu.be/QZ7S2sXWWps
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,493 Standard Supporter
    Yeah, TL;DW
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  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,335 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Yeah, TL;DW

    Yeah, well you should.

    Or listen to it during your commute/workout/brbjo ...
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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
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  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    So you disagree with the girl in the OP vid. And your recommendation is what?
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  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    HillsboroDuck said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    So you disagree with the girl in the OP vid. And your recommendation is what?
    Not meddling in Venezuela.

    Remove sanctions because the intended goal isn’t feasible and it only exacerbates the suffering which all the interventionists claim to care so much about. Restore normal diplomatic relations. Stop pretending this Guaido guy is the real president.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,493 Standard Supporter
    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    So you disagree with the girl in the OP vid. And your recommendation is what?
    Not meddling in Venezuela.

    Remove sanctions because the intended goal isn’t feasible and it only exacerbates the suffering which all the interventionists claim to care so much about. Restore normal diplomatic relations. Stop pretending this Guaido guy is the real president.
    Any thoughts on the Russian military presence in Venezuela?
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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    So you disagree with the girl in the OP vid. And your recommendation is what?
    Not meddling in Venezuela.

    Remove sanctions because the intended goal isn’t feasible and it only exacerbates the suffering which all the interventionists claim to care so much about. Restore normal diplomatic relations. Stop pretending this Guaido guy is the real president.
    Any thoughts on the Russian military presence in Venezuela?
    Humanitarians
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,493 Standard Supporter
    HillsboroDuck said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    So you disagree with the girl in the OP vid. And your recommendation is what?
    Not meddling in Venezuela.

    Remove sanctions because the intended goal isn’t feasible and it only exacerbates the suffering which all the interventionists claim to care so much about. Restore normal diplomatic relations. Stop pretending this Guaido guy is the real president.
    Any thoughts on the Russian military presence in Venezuela?
    Humanitarians
    Well-documented
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  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,335 Founders Club
    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Yes I have. Thank you for noticing. It's still material to this discussion.

    Overwhelmingly the poor folk in Venezuela support the policies of Chavez/Madurro. Rightly or wrongly Chavez brought large swaths of people out of poverty.

    The problems there today began with sanctions. Sanctions imposed by the western world. Billions have been stolen from Venezuela by the western world.

    Also of note, issues in that cuntry are freely debated without repercussion. The elections were watched and certified by 12 other independent cuntries. Their people chose to elect a Socialist. Should they not be free to elect whomever they want?


    Again, the problem I have is with the textbook interventionalist policies of the Western world designed to overthrow their government - for profit. It always comes disguised and feigned as Aid.

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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    pawz said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Yes I have. Thank you for noticing. It's still material to this discussion.

    Overwhelmingly the poor folk in Venezuela support the policies of Chavez/Madurro. Rightly or wrongly Chavez brought large swaths of people out of poverty.

    The problems there today began with sanctions. Sanctions imposed by the western world. Billions have been stolen from Venezuela by the western world.

    Also of note, issues in that cuntry are freely debated without repercussion. The elections were watched and certified by 12 other independent cuntries. Their people chose to elect a Socialist. Should they not be free to elect whomever they want?


    Again, the problem I have is with the textbook interventionalist policies of the Western world designed to overthrow their government - for profit. It always comes disguised and feigned as Aid.

    You really believe this? I can buy that the sanctions have exacerbated the problem, but the source?

    Come on, you're smarter than that.
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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,873
    Airvac the hot girls. Problem solved
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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,532 Swaye's Wigwam
    HardlyClothed said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Ok but the solution for those who think the US has “responsibility” is regime change.

    The sanctions are making living conditions much worse and are intended to get people to rise up against Maduro. But we saw that there is no popular mandate for that as Guaido’s coup flopped.
    pawz said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    Yes I have. Thank you for noticing. It's still material to this discussion.

    Overwhelmingly the poor folk in Venezuela support the policies of Chavez/Madurro. Rightly or wrongly Chavez brought large swaths of people out of poverty.

    The problems there today began with sanctions. Sanctions imposed by the western world. Billions have been stolen from Venezuela by the western world.

    Also of note, issues in that cuntry are freely debated without repercussion. The elections were watched and certified by 12 other independent cuntries. Their people chose to elect a Socialist. Should they not be free to elect whomever they want?


    Again, the problem I have is with the textbook interventionalist policies of the Western world designed to overthrow their government - for profit. It always comes disguised and feigned as Aid.

    Hilarious left pundits mentioned in OP video show up and parrot the exact things the video addresses. You guys are doing a bang up job.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    I think if you put a but after the words “generally anti interventionism” you are not generally anti interventionism.

    There will always be a reason to use the but. But 9/11. But WMD’s. But chemical attacks. But it’s closer to home than those other buts.

    We make things worse and it costs American lives. The people who benefit the most are politicians, the military industrial complex and oil companies. And they will always have a but to sell you.
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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,120 Founders Club
    I'm anti interventionism but pro imperialism.
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  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,335 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    pawz said:

    Counter-poont, Aaron Matè.



    https://youtu.be/vq7ngZgzU-k

    You've already posted this.

    The fact that there are some Venezuelans who support the Commies and don't want the US to intervene in no way means there aren't Venezuelans who feel the opposite, or that the US doesn't have some responsibility.

    I'm generally anti interventionism, but 3 million refugees in our own half of the world should be enough to get our attention.
    I think if you put a but after the words “generally anti interventionism” you are not generally anti interventionism.

    There will always be a reason to use the but. But 9/11. But WMD’s. But chemical attacks. But it’s closer to home than those other buts.

    We make things worse and it costs American lives. The people who benefit the most are politicians, the military industrial complex and oil companies. And they will always have a but to sell you.

    This.

    #Tulsi2020 but the establishment ain't having none of that.
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