Kelee Ringo, 5* 2020 DB, Scottsdale (Saguaro), AZ (Offered 12/7/17)

Swaye said:

Is this thread about Ringo or Lake? You retards.

WeakarmCobra said:

Swaye said:

Is this thread about Ringo or Lake? You retards.

About ringo’s mom

Baseman said:

Tequilla said:

My random take:

From a $$$ standpoint Lake has been priced out of anything that isn’t s P5 job

Due to geography, he’s probably not as realistic of a hire in some conferences vs others

Bottom tier P5 jobs may not be viewed as overly attractive as there is a ton of risk in them and the pay often isn’t anything special

High end P5 jobs (not named Washington) will likely pursue higher caliber/experienced candidates ... while Lake at SC could be really good ... the odds are that SC would never take the leap with him and prefer someone in their family because that’s what they do

So by my count there are probably only a handful of jobs that are realistic and a number of them have just been filled in the last year or two

At this point, Lake would have to be the favorite to be the next HC at Washington ... now whether that % is over 20-25% is a completely different question


SC ain’t hiring Lake ... goes against their DNA

Lake leaving as a HC would hurt us ... if he stays then we are the favorite but not sure enough of one at this point to combat the field

The last 25 years, SC HCs with previous ties to the program failed—miserably. Carrol, the outsider, delivered different results

• John Robinson — Trojan ties
  
• Hackett — Trojan ties
  
• Pete Carrol — Outsider
  
• Laney Kirin — Trojan ties
  
• Sark — Trojan ties
  
• Clay Helton —Trojan ties
  

The Robinson victory lap and Hackett the Hack: tired, old coaches. Carroll: energetic and defensive minded. 7 consecutive top 5 finishes, including two consecutive Natties. Kiffin: Charmin soft. Offense > Defense. Terminated on the Tarmac. Sark: a Drunk leading an undisplined team. Clay Helton: Fortnighter; awful recruiter. SC— where 5-stars go to die.

SC will look for an outsider. Dynamic. Defensive minded. A successful recruiter, preferably with west coast ties. Discipline. Proven talent developer. A younger Pete Carrol without the baggage. Stable.

Connect the dots...

Then again, it’s SC, meaning theyll hire another HC with Trojan ties and continue losing

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Yo, we’re getting little to no twitter love from Kelee. Whose writing the play book on how to coach dawg moms to recruit future dawgs moms? You guys think I’m fucking around here but unless we’re getting moms a purple challenger, I’m not seeing it right now.

To be clear... I hope this ages horribly.

When mom got in the picture it was all over, he was all on UW then... poof

RealRhino said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Meek said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.

Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.

Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.

The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...

I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.

Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.

I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"

See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.

We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.

what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner

The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.

I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.

They're not going 1-2. Byron has what, maybe a 40% shot of being the first? He's probably the favorite but you almost always have to take the field, it's not like he's seen as some can't miss, top 5 DB type. I think Rapp makes it into the first round but I don't think it's likely he makes it all the way to the #2 DB.

If we need them going 1-2 to get Kelee, #HeGone.

Would it help? Yes it would. Do we need it to land him? No we don't.

Help ≠ Necessary.

You're welcome.

We got fucked on Kelee because his mom doesn't give 2 shits about UW. Our branding sins are palpable in recruiting 5-stars.

We need a couple kids like Sav'ell—who are truly program changers—to take the onus on them to show out for UW and WWa. And then we need our marketing department and program to amplify that.

So, we will probably go ofer.

:::suicide:::

If this is the case, though, it's not just branding or the marketing department, it's on the coaches. How can his mom not see the benefit of the UW for Kelee? I'm a fucking moron with a computer and within 30 seconds of reading this I could already tell you that since Coach Pete and Lake came to the UW, only TWO schools in the entire country have put more CBs in the 1st or 2nd round than the UW: Ohio State and Florida. Not LSU, not Clemson, not Alabama, not Penn State, not Florida State, not Miami, not USC, not Oklahoma, not Michigan, and certainly not fucking Texas, which hasn't put out a top DB in years.

And Ohio State and Florida just lost the head coaches that helped develop those guys!

How is that not made abundantly clear to the parents of CB/DB recruits?

NEsnake12 said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Our shot is that Sav'ell gets in the boat and goes hard on Kelee. Let's hope Byron and Tay go as high as humanly possible.

We need to keep shelling on twitter with how bad Texas is with talent. It seems retarded that it matters, but it does matter.

DBs especially. In the last decade, Texas hasn’t had any successful NFL DBs outside of Earl Thomas and Adrian Phillips (who went undrafted). Kenny Vaccaro hasn’t lived up to his 1st round status

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Our shot is that Sav'ell gets in the boat and goes hard on Kelee. Let's hope Byron and Tay go as high as humanly possible.

We need to keep shelling on twitter with how bad Texas is with talent. It seems retarded that it matters, but it does matter.

The longer Sav’ell and Johnny take to commit, the worse our? chances are at landing Kelee.

NorwegianHusky said:

RealRhino said:

NorwegianHusky said:

NEsnake12 said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Our shot is that Sav'ell gets in the boat and goes hard on Kelee. Let's hope Byron and Tay go as high as humanly possible.

We need to keep shelling on twitter with how bad Texas is with talent. It seems retarded that it matters, but it does matter.

DBs especially. In the last decade, Texas hasn’t had any successful NFL DBs outside of Earl Thomas and Adrian Phillips (who went undrafted). Kenny Vaccaro hasn’t lived up to his 1st round status

They're about to have NFL DBs. They had a freshman All-American at safety this year. He was a former five star, but still.

They've brought in some insane DB classes lately. Can't really point to history when their relatively new staff has done a good job with that position.

Are they? When? First, their safeties coach is different than their CB coach, so unless Ringo is playing safety, that wouldn't matter.

Second, Texas always brings in insane classes. Because their recruits are always overrated. By a ton. Quick search on Twitter will show you some Dawg fans that have done some good work in this area. Their wasting of talent rivals (or even surpasses) USC.

Third, how has their staff done a good job? Their CB coach might be a fine guy, but he's produced exactly one drafted CB in four years under Tom Herman in that position. Meanwhile, here are the DBs that have come out of Texas over the past two years since Herman was hired:
Deshon Elliott: 4-star, drafted 6th round
Holton Hill: 4-star, undrafted
Antwuan Davis: 4-star, undrafted
John Bonney: 4-star, undrafted
Kris Boyd: 4-star, at the combine, projected 7th-round pick (Tony Pauline)
Davante Davis: 4-star, at the combine, projected UDFA (Pauline)

SIX fucking 4-star DBs have finished up under these Texas DB coaches, and out of those six one guy got drafted, in the 6th round. And they have nobody slated to be drafted high next year, either. And it goes without saying that their 3-star recruits also haven't gotten drafted.

Meanwhile, by Year 3 Petersen and Lake had four DBs drafted in the first two rounds, and only one of the four was a 4-star recruit. Their next 4-star DB recruit, Byron Murphy, is about to get drafted in the 1st round.

Again, the staff has only been there two years. None of their own recruits are draft eligible yet. How hard is that to understand?

Also, it's kind of besides the point but Holton Hill would have been a first or second round pick if he hadn't failed multiple drug tests.

I'm not arguing against whether or not Kelee should come here. Of course he should. I just think it's disingenous to attribute past lack of development to a staff that's been there two years.