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Universal Basic Income - Freedom Dividend

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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,894

    This

    Pay a little bit of tax or pay by having to replace your stolen crap and some tax on hiring more police.
    All of these things will happen anyway. It worked in Britain for awhile but they eventually couldn’t sustain it.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    This

    Pay a little bit of tax or pay by having to replace your stolen crap and some tax on hiring more police.
    Are property crime investigations a new thing? I ask because here, they won’t even roll a car for property crime but they will give you a phone number to call to get an automated police report # for your insurance company to begin processing your claim.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,553

    Are property crime investigations a new thing? I ask because here, they won’t even roll a car for property crime but they will give you a phone number to call to get an automated police report # for your insurance company to begin processing your claim.
    That’s very true. But most theft crimes come from people with drug addictions. They need the property to convert into cash. Giving cash instead of food stamps lets them buy their drugs and the majority will then leave your shit alone. I know it’s morbid, but they’re going to get their fix anyway so now they can get cash. This is more efficient because we can run the program with a fourth of the man power.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727

    So, no one in politics. Thanks.
    I remember Dems trashing Joe the plumber for being a plumber and discounting his opinion because he was just a dumb old plumber. For some reason being a plumber meant he didn't have a meaningful opinion or thought. I'm pretty sure Franken shit all over Joe the plumber.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    jecornel said:

    I remember Dems trashing Joe the plumber for being a plumber and discounting his opinion because he was just a dumb old plumber. For some reason being a plumber meant he didn't have a meaningful opinion or thought. I'm pretty sure Franken shit all over Joe the plumber.
    Care to provide the link on Franken? Or Democrat politicians trashing Joe for "being a plumber"?
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,950 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Care to provide the link on Franken? Or Democrat politicians trashing Joe for "being a plumber"?
    You don't get to divert or obfuscate. 

    Fuck off.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    You don't get to divert or obfuscate. 

    Fuck off.

    Did my comments offend you? Pussy.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,950 Founders Club
    edited February 2019
    2001400ex said:

    Did my comments offend you? Pussy.
    Your middle school debate club tactics are transparent, and elementary.

    Fuck off. Or kill yourself.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    Your middle school debate club tactics are transparent, and elementary.

    Fuck off. Or kill yourself.
    So you consider yourself a masterdebater?
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    That’s very true. But most theft crimes come from people with drug addictions. They need the property to convert into cash. Giving cash instead of food stamps lets them buy their drugs and the majority will then leave your shit alone. I know it’s morbid, but they’re going to get their fix anyway so now they can get cash. This is more efficient because we can run the program with a fourth of the man power.
    You think establishing a Board of Distribution of Cash and staffed outlets to druggies is the answer?

    Why not simply set up free heroine vending machines in Castle Rock? Lure them out of the city with the only free shit they really want? Wouldn’t that be cheaper? Reduce crime? Reduce loss? Free up government workers to do other more important things?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,977 Founders Club

    Helps the economy IMO.
    It helped out Native Americans. They track where those cards were used and casinos were a favorite. Hey had they won anything they get off the dole
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,977 Founders Club
    @CirrhosisDawg is mean to the working man

    WTGWT
  • MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685

    Projects don't manage themselves either. And PMs grow up to be consultants where you can really rake

    Retired nerds turned consultants make a killing.
    Taking an early buyout retirement at the earliest possible date after writing the contract for the former director...now consulting at home.

    5.5 years but who's counting?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,482 Standard Supporter
    I like the name Freedom Dividend. Just what the fuck does that mean? Freedom from work like everyone else? Freedom from what exactly? It should be "The free shit from people who work hard because your a lazy worthless piece of shit that doesn't contribute to society" dividend;" HTH
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,943 Swaye's Wigwam
    @RaceBannon things are looking up!

    I'm 81% on board with UBI, as a replacement for most other federal transfer programs. Take all of the federal spending on housing, SNAP, training, etc. and just cut people in the bottom 10% or so a check. Let them decide what to do with it. Add in whatever qualifiers you'd like.

    We spend roughly 10% of our GDP on public assistance and that's without counting social security or medicare. It very roughly works out to $30,000 per year per person. Do you think that poor people currently receive $30,000 worth of goods and services from the government? I sure don't. That's what we are spending though. Might as well give it directly to them to decide what to do with it. Better than paying a vast entrenched bureaucracy to play musical chairs while poor people suffer.

    We cut old poor people and disabled poor people a check. It's not much different.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,943 Swaye's Wigwam
    Also, automation doesn't eliminate jobs from the total economy, just sections of the economy. It actually frees people up to do other better jobs. We are going to continue to transition to a service, tech, and intellectual property industry. That's a good thing.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,977 Founders Club

    @RaceBannon things are looking up!

    I'm 81% on board with UBI, as a replacement for most other federal transfer programs. Take all of the federal spending on housing, SNAP, training, etc. and just cut people in the bottom 10% or so a check. Let them decide what to do with it. Add in whatever qualifiers you'd like.

    We spend roughly 10% of our GDP on public assistance and that's without counting social security or medicare. It very roughly works out to $30,000 per year per person. Do you think that poor people currently receive $30,000 worth of goods and services from the government? I sure don't. That's what we are spending though. Might as well give it directly to them to decide what to do with it. Better than paying a vast entrenched bureaucracy to play musical chairs while poor people suffer.

    We cut old poor people and disabled poor people a check. It's not much different.

    I'm all in favor of streamlining the delivery of aid to get more of it to the person who needs it not the massive layers of people who oversee it. 100% in

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