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Universal Basic Income - Freedom Dividend

pawz
pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
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Interesting conversation.

As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    I think we should cut taxes and eliminate the minimum wage. So businesses can stop replacing workers with automation.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    So, guaranteeing economic security to all Americans?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    I believe you, buddy.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Fenderbender123 said:

    I've been saying this for years, so hopefully I'm right, but I really don't see automation killing the economy or putting people permanently out of work. We have always replaced jobs whenever automation hits a big sector. And everyone always says "but this time is different!" and they are always right when they say that, but the outcome is always the same.

    As long as humans are available, we can be hired to perform value adding tasks that machines can't. And as long as businesses are competitive they will hire to achieve that edge.

    We are shifting from a manufacturing to a technology based economy. There are jobs being replaced by automation, and it's been happening for years. But someone needs to program the computers for automation. This creates jobs. It's not one for one, but it's also not a 100% lots of jobs either, a percentage is replaced by IT people. And people to manufacture the machines.

    I tell my boy to either go to college for staple professional jobs that'll always be there such as accounting or engineering. Or pharmacy/medical that'll always be there. Or technology. Which is replacing low level or middle class jobs with high paying jobs.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    I think we should cut taxes and eliminate the minimum wage. So businesses can stop replacing workers with automation.

    Shut the fuck up.

    Wait a minute. I heard for years that high taxes and minimum wage are causing businesses to replace workers with machines. You don't like to hear that now?

    And really it solves both problems, I've been hearing for years that business need lower taxes and lower wages then they can hire more people.

    So cut taxes and end minimum wage and we don't need UBI.
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