Spurs look good

dnc · May 2014

Tequilla said:
The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka

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dhdawg · May 2014

Tequilla said:
The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.

Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them.

they could've kept both, good christ! Also the criticism of the harden trade has just as much to do with the return they got as the idea to trade harden itself

Tequilla · May 2014

He_Needs_More_Time said:

Tequilla said:
The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.

Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them.
Just when I thought you were turning into a solid poster you've been pressing badly as of late.

Pressing?

Harden was a realistic option for them last season. They would have traded him prior to this season.

It's not an option to consider him being on this team because for him to be so would mean that they were either a) going over the luxury tax by hanging onto Ibaka or b) chose Harden over Ibaka. We know a) wasn't going to happen. Does having Harden being another guy that has to have the ball in his hand and plays lazy defense (hello Russell Westbrook) do much to alter the impact of the game?

The whole point being is that the reason that Ibaka is so crucial to them is because a) it cleans up dribble penetration against lazy/gambling defense on the perimeter and b) allows KD to play on the perimeter and not have to bang down low which takes away some of his offensive efficiency.

I get the crime that is that they didn't get enough back for Harden and there's no doubt that they did that wrong. But the whole thought process behind that trade was to trade Harden for a complementary piece that does some of the elements that he brought to the table (wing outside shooting) while allowing the ball to stay with KD and Westbrook more (fits guys like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb).

I get what they tried to build ... a supporting cast offensively that complements the skills of KD and Westbrook and a defense that hinges around the unique abilities of Ibaka. Losing Ibaka was huge and we saw why tonight. The whole premise of their team falls apart. Play 2 bigs that don't include Ibaka and you clog the paint and it makes it difficult for them to score as none of the other bigs are really threats from the outside. Play 1 big and go small, which makes them more dangerous offensively, makes them a terrible defensive team that is bound to get pushed around in the paint repeatedly.

The scary part is that you know that there's going to be a couple of games in this series where KD and Westbrook combine to score 60-70 points and Reggie Jackson will be a threat to score 15 points on a nightly basis. They still possess a threat to outscore the Spurs in stretches and it's a legit worry for the Spurs.

The problem though is that OKC looks helpless in keeping Duncan and Parker out of the paint. Absolutely helpless. OKC shot 46% tonight and 44% from 3 point range. Those aren't terrible numbers - definitely numbers that shouldn't be that far away from what you'd think that they'd need to win games. The Spurs shot 57.5% and over 50% from 3 ... and really there weren't any stretches where you watch and thought that they couldn't get any shot they wanted at any time. When you get shots that easily, it's hard to imagine the opposition coming up with a strategy that is going to materially change their ability to get good shots.

allpurpleallgold · May 2014

He_Needs_More_Time said:

doogsinparadise said:
Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.

Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.

The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.

allpurpleallgold · May 2014

doogsinparadise said:
Perk, Collison, Thabo and Adams combined for 9 points in 73 minutes, which is fucking terrible.

That is terrible but the Thunder still scored over 100 points. Offense wasn't the problem. They couldn't get stops.

doogsinparadise · May 2014

With Ibaka on the bench during the postseason, OKC has scored 96 pp/48. San Antonio is scoring 107 pp/48, so Durant and West are going to have to make that up. Of course Ibaka's defense was important, but even if they could bang with SA in the post, there just aren't enough points.

[Deleted User] · May 2014

allpurpleallgold said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

doogsinparadise said:
Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.

Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.

Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.

Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.

I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook.

dhdawg · May 2014

The difference in treatment between Lebron and KD is silly. Durant has a far superior supporting cast then Lebron in Cleveland, yet gets criticized half as much for not winning. Stupid

dhdawg · May 2014

He_Needs_More_Time said:

allpurpleallgold said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

doogsinparadise said:
Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.

Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.
Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.

Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.

I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook.

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[Deleted User] · May 2014

dhdawg said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

allpurpleallgold said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

doogsinparadise said:
Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.

Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.
Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.

Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.

I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook.
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