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doogsinparadise
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Understatement of the day. Zombie Sonics need a third scorer, *cough* Harden *cough*
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I think they would have been fine in this series with Ibaka. They just can't defend the paint.
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Spurs look like the best team right now,
Spurs should've won the series last year, and are a better team with belleneli, and then mills and manu playing better. I just can't see the heat beating them -
Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
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Like I said before Durant/Westbrook are going to have to average 65+ a game for them to win this series.
They have nothing inside and Collison actually played well. Then Brooks sat him entire end of 3rd/entire 4th while playing Durant at the 4. Durant can't play the 4, he is getting torched on defense and it will tire him out offensively. -
Perk, Collison, Thabo and Adams combined for 9 points in 73 minutes, which is fucking terrible.
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Popovich patted Brooks on the head in game 1. The Spurs put on a fucking clinic. I don't get how anyone could hate that team. The Thunder better figure out how to defend the paint or they have no chance.
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67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
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The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.
Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them. -
Just when I thought you were turning into a solid poster you've been pressing badly as of late.Tequilla said:The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.
Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them.
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A B U N D A N C ETequilla said:The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka
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they could've kept both, good christ! Also the criticism of the harden trade has just as much to do with the return they got as the idea to trade harden itselfTequilla said:The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.
Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them.
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Pressing?He_Needs_More_Time said:
Just when I thought you were turning into a solid poster you've been pressing badly as of late.Tequilla said:The next week should put an end to the argument of whether or not OKC should have kept Harden or Ibaka ... forget about the return that they got for Harden.
Tonight was Exhibit A of the value that Ibaka has for them.
Harden was a realistic option for them last season. They would have traded him prior to this season.
It's not an option to consider him being on this team because for him to be so would mean that they were either a) going over the luxury tax by hanging onto Ibaka or b) chose Harden over Ibaka. We know a) wasn't going to happen. Does having Harden being another guy that has to have the ball in his hand and plays lazy defense (hello Russell Westbrook) do much to alter the impact of the game?
The whole point being is that the reason that Ibaka is so crucial to them is because a) it cleans up dribble penetration against lazy/gambling defense on the perimeter and b) allows KD to play on the perimeter and not have to bang down low which takes away some of his offensive efficiency.
I get the crime that is that they didn't get enough back for Harden and there's no doubt that they did that wrong. But the whole thought process behind that trade was to trade Harden for a complementary piece that does some of the elements that he brought to the table (wing outside shooting) while allowing the ball to stay with KD and Westbrook more (fits guys like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb).
I get what they tried to build ... a supporting cast offensively that complements the skills of KD and Westbrook and a defense that hinges around the unique abilities of Ibaka. Losing Ibaka was huge and we saw why tonight. The whole premise of their team falls apart. Play 2 bigs that don't include Ibaka and you clog the paint and it makes it difficult for them to score as none of the other bigs are really threats from the outside. Play 1 big and go small, which makes them more dangerous offensively, makes them a terrible defensive team that is bound to get pushed around in the paint repeatedly.
The scary part is that you know that there's going to be a couple of games in this series where KD and Westbrook combine to score 60-70 points and Reggie Jackson will be a threat to score 15 points on a nightly basis. They still possess a threat to outscore the Spurs in stretches and it's a legit worry for the Spurs.
The problem though is that OKC looks helpless in keeping Duncan and Parker out of the paint. Absolutely helpless. OKC shot 46% tonight and 44% from 3 point range. Those aren't terrible numbers - definitely numbers that shouldn't be that far away from what you'd think that they'd need to win games. The Spurs shot 57.5% and over 50% from 3 ... and really there weren't any stretches where you watch and thought that they couldn't get any shot they wanted at any time. When you get shots that easily, it's hard to imagine the opposition coming up with a strategy that is going to materially change their ability to get good shots. -
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.He_Needs_More_Time said:
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series. -
That is terrible but the Thunder still scored over 100 points. Offense wasn't the problem. They couldn't get stops.doogsinparadise said:Perk, Collison, Thabo and Adams combined for 9 points in 73 minutes, which is fucking terrible.
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With Ibaka on the bench during the postseason, OKC has scored 96 pp/48. San Antonio is scoring 107 pp/48, so Durant and West are going to have to make that up. Of course Ibaka's defense was important, but even if they could bang with SA in the post, there just aren't enough points.
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Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.allpurpleallgold said:
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.He_Needs_More_Time said:
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.
I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook. -
The difference in treatment between Lebron and KD is silly. Durant has a far superior supporting cast then Lebron in Cleveland, yet gets criticized half as much for not winning. Stupid
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brian kelly approves thisHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.allpurpleallgold said:
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.He_Needs_More_Time said:
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.
I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook. -
brian kelly approves thisdhdawg said:
brian kelly approves thisHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.allpurpleallgold said:
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.He_Needs_More_Time said:
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.
I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook. -
brian kelly approves thisdhdawg said:
brian kelly approves thisHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Plus Durant isn't as good as Lebron despite what many morons seem to think.allpurpleallgold said:
The problem with that comparison is this San Antonio team would sweep that Pacers team.He_Needs_More_Time said:
67-32 in the paint. I don't see that changing either.doogsinparadise said:Certainly helps that SA shot 58% and 53% on threes. I didn't watch the whole game but the Spurs looked like they were gliding, not seeing OKCs bigs put enough points up.
Westbrook/Durant gotta pull a Lebron/Wade against Indiana in 2012 to win this series.
Lebron does so much for his team and the few times OKC ask Durant to do that he has proven he can't.
I'm sure you were one of those people who currently give Durant a free pass who was on Lebron's ass for not winning a title in Cleveland even though he never had a Westbrook, Ibaka or Westbrook. -
LeBron got a lot of shit because he checked out against Boston in his last year in Cleveland. His team wasn't good though. When Mo Williams and Jamison are the next best players, your team sucks.
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Durant did that this year against Memphis in game 4 but Jackson bailed him out then again in game 5 against Clippers but Westbrook bailed him out.RoadDawg55 said:LeBron got a lot of shit because he checked out against Boston in his last year in Cleveland. His team wasn't good though. When Mo Williams and Jamison are the next best players, your team sucks.
Although Lebron's current game is reminding me of that game 5 against Boston. -
Durant didn't check out. He had bad games. In game 5 against the Clippers, he hit huge 3's and had 10 points in the last 4 minutes.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Durant did that this year against Memphis in game 4 but Jackson bailed him out then again in game 5 against Clippers but Westbrook bailed him out.RoadDawg55 said:LeBron got a lot of shit because he checked out against Boston in his last year in Cleveland. His team wasn't good though. When Mo Williams and Jamison are the next best players, your team sucks.
Although Lebron's current game is reminding me of that game 5 against Boston.
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He was looked checked out until that final 4 minutes. The final 4 minutes wouldn't have mattered if he had a Mo Williams instead of a Westbrook as the game would have been a blow out.RoadDawg55 said:
Durant didn't check out. He had bad games. In game 5 against the Clippers, he hit huge 3's and had 10 points in the last 4 minutes.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Durant did that this year against Memphis in game 4 but Jackson bailed him out then again in game 5 against Clippers but Westbrook bailed him out.RoadDawg55 said:LeBron got a lot of shit because he checked out against Boston in his last year in Cleveland. His team wasn't good though. When Mo Williams and Jamison are the next best players, your team sucks.
Although Lebron's current game is reminding me of that game 5 against Boston. -
KD is the best scorer in the world.
LBJ is the best player in the world.
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You're still drunk.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He was looked checked out until that final 4 minutes. The final 4 minutes wouldn't have mattered if he had a Mo Williams instead of a Westbrook as the game would have been a blow out.RoadDawg55 said:
Durant didn't check out. He had bad games. In game 5 against the Clippers, he hit huge 3's and had 10 points in the last 4 minutes.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Durant did that this year against Memphis in game 4 but Jackson bailed him out then again in game 5 against Clippers but Westbrook bailed him out.RoadDawg55 said:LeBron got a lot of shit because he checked out against Boston in his last year in Cleveland. His team wasn't good though. When Mo Williams and Jamison are the next best players, your team sucks.
Although Lebron's current game is reminding me of that game 5 against Boston.
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I don't think Durant is that far behind LeBron. If they switched teams, Durant is taking the Heat to the finals and the Thunder would have a hard time taking down the Spurs without Ibaka. They are both incredible.
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Bullshit. Durant can't win a title with Westbrook, Ibaka and even Harden yet he's going to win a title with Wade at the end of his career, a bunch of washed up role guys and Chris Bosh???RoadDawg55 said:I don't think Durant is that far behind LeBron. If they switched teams, Durant is taking the Heat to the finals and the Thunder would have a hard time taking down the Spurs without Ibaka. They are both incredible.
Come on man! Durant can't do the things that Lebron can. He can't make his teammates better, he can't play multiple positions, he can't post up like Lebron. He's a much better shooter that's his big advantage.
Like today Lebron wasn't scoring worth a shit but down by 7 late in the third quarter he drove the lane and drew a double team. Both times found the open guy who knocked down the three pointer. Without scoring a point he just gave his team six points to cut the lead to one heading into the final period. Durant has yet to show he can do something like that. -
LeBron has a little better all around game, but Durant is good at everything in basketball, and he's the best scorer in the game. He can put up 40 at anytime on any player in the league. Just like LeBron, it doesn't matter who is guarding him. Durant gets 8 rebounds, 5 assists, is a pretty good defender, great handle.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Bullshit. Durant can't win a title with Westbrook, Ibaka and even Harden yet he's going to win a title with Wade at the end of his career, a bunch of washed up role guys and Chris Bosh???RoadDawg55 said:I don't think Durant is that far behind LeBron. If they switched teams, Durant is taking the Heat to the finals and the Thunder would have a hard time taking down the Spurs without Ibaka. They are both incredible.
Come on man! Durant can't do the things that Lebron can. He can't make his teammates better, he can't play multiple positions, he can't post up like Lebron. He's a much better shooter that's his big advantage.
Like today Lebron wasn't scoring worth a shit but down by 7 late in the third quarter he drove the lane and drew a double team. Both times found the open guy who knocked down the three pointer. Without scoring a point he just gave his team six points to cut the lead to one heading into the final period. Durant has yet to show he can do something like that.
LeBron has a little more veteran saavy. His teammates do too. That's the real difference between the two.The Thunder were young when they lost to the Heat in the Finals. They are still a young team. Durant is already great, but his best years are ahead of him.
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