Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
They fact that they are more economically free and their demographics are already settled. Economic freedom and standard of living are highly correlated. (Causation?)
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
They fact that they are more economically free and their demographics are already settled. Economic freedom and standard of living are highly correlated. (Causation?)
I don't think I would call their population homogeneous. More so than here. But half the country speaks mainly German, the other half speaks French, and a small portion Italian. Economic freedom must also include the freedom from being oppressed by the masters of the machine. Apparently something is wrong there, otherwise they wouldn't be voting on a minimum wage.
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
They fact that they are more economically free and their demographics are already settled. Economic freedom and standard of living are highly correlated. (Causation?)
I don't think I would call their population homogeneous. More so than here. But half the country speaks mainly German, the other half speaks French, and a small portion Italian. Economic freedom must also include the freedom from being oppressed by the masters of the machine. Apparently something is wrong there, otherwise they wouldn't be voting on a minimum wage.
You don't know what economic freedom means? Or what a homogenous population means. Do some research on economic freedom and we can have an intelligent conversation.
Btw. Switzerland has about the same number of people as Washington state. They are white, Western Europeans.
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
They fact that they are more economically free and their demographics are already settled. Economic freedom and standard of living are highly correlated. (Causation?)
I don't think I would call their population homogeneous. More so than here. But half the country speaks mainly German, the other half speaks French, and a small portion Italian. Economic freedom must also include the freedom from being oppressed by the masters of the machine. Apparently something is wrong there, otherwise they wouldn't be voting on a minimum wage.
You don't know what economic freedom means? Or what a homogenous population means. Do some research on economic freedom and we can have an intelligent conversation.
Btw. Switzerland has about the same number of people as Washington state. They are white, Western Europeans.
Economic freedom is not so easily defined. For some, it's the freedom to oppress others through the machinery of a system, while accumulating a disproportionate horde of gold from a limited supply. The Swiss are homogenous in their race but not in their culture.
Switzerland - $25 /hr minimum wage (soon), most businesses are closed several hours a day in the middle of the day, more than a month of paid vacation, better health, better standard of living. The squalor of the current system here could use some change. We can do better than this and it's embarrassing that we don't. Would you rather be toiling in a shithole factory for 7.95 a hour with one week of paid vacation per year, or working in cheese hut with the cool mountain breeze, the sound of cowbells and crackling of avalanches on the pristine mountains right outside your doorstep. And without getting some fucking disease that some of these pig corporations will give you with the chemicals they use in their factories. But hey, at least you can sue them when you're 65 and dying in the hospital.
Huh?
Switzerland does not currently have a minimum wage.
Switzerland has more economic freedom than the USA. A state mandated minimum wage is a step back for them. Simple fact.
Switzerland's been doing it right for longer than America's been in existence. This will only separate them from the pack even more. Last time I checked, the franc was more valuable than the dollar. Used to be the other way around.
That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Looks like we'll find out soon and the argument can be settled on the field and not in the poles.
They fact that they are more economically free and their demographics are already settled. Economic freedom and standard of living are highly correlated. (Causation?)
I don't think I would call their population homogeneous. More so than here. But half the country speaks mainly German, the other half speaks French, and a small portion Italian. Economic freedom must also include the freedom from being oppressed by the masters of the machine. Apparently something is wrong there, otherwise they wouldn't be voting on a minimum wage.
You don't know what economic freedom means? Or what a homogenous population means. Do some research on economic freedom and we can have an intelligent conversation.
Btw. Switzerland has about the same number of people as Washington state. They are white, Western Europeans.
My college roommate went to Switzerland through foreign exchange twice and would not stop talking about it. They are so isolated it's hard to compare them to any other country in the world. OBK I understand where you're coming from but to me economic freedom also means that if your "pig of an employer" is really being that shitty then you simply go back to school, move, or do what you need to do to get a better job. If the employer is losing labor because of that they will increase the pay/benefits to make the job tolerable or else risk going out of business. Of course if they're being taxed to death they can't do anything about it.
If 74% of people in Seattle want a $15 minimum wage then they should get it. If its successful they can celebrate it and if it fucks everything up then they can live with the repercussions. I'm all for natural consequences.
Born and raised in Seattle, live here now...crazy liberal Jim McDermott has been around awhile is an aging joke but where in the heck did lala-land libs like Ed Murray and Krisna Sawant come from? They are trying to ruin the city.
If 74% of people in Seattle want a $15 minimum wage then they should get it. If its successful they can celebrate it and if it fucks everything up then they can live with the repercussions. I'm all for natural consequences.
I'm all for free market and property rights, not popular confiscation.
People that want to raise the minimum wage rate don't understand that besides the inflationary consequences, what will end up happening is that those jobs will gradually be squeezed out of the system.
I wonder how many people have thought about why it is that the Dow is setting records at all times yet the (reported) unemployment rate is still over 6% - which in the past would have been considered a sign of a recession? In fact, the unemployment rate for April of 6.3%, which is by far the low mark of the Obama administration, is equal to the highest rate in the Dubya administration from the time of taking over through October of 2008 when on his way out of the office and I'm pretty sure everybody in the world knew that Obama was taking over.
How can the market be so good yet the unemployment rates so poor?
And people continue to believe the myth that the Democrats are the ones that are so worried about the poor and the Republicans the ones who only care about profits.
People that want to raise the minimum wage rate don't understand that besides the inflationary consequences, what will end up happening is that those jobs will gradually be squeezed out of the system.
I wonder how many people have thought about why it is that the Dow is setting records at all times yet the (reported) unemployment rate is still over 6% - which in the past would have been considered a sign of a recession? In fact, the unemployment rate for April of 6.3%, which is by far the low mark of the Obama administration, is equal to the highest rate in the Dubya administration from the time of taking over through October of 2008 when on his way out of the office and I'm pretty sure everybody in the world knew that Obama was taking over.
How can the market be so good yet the unemployment rates so poor?
And people continue to believe the myth that the Democrats are the ones that are so worried about the poor and the Republicans the ones who only care about profits.
FMFYFE
You're whooshing yourself if you really believe any of the dog shit you've just scraped off the bottom of your shoe and put into words. Lets take apart this shit one step at a time.
1.) To begin with, you're a dunce if you think the true unemployment rate is 6.3%. The reality is closer to 20%. But if you want to believe the facts and figures of an administration that's headed by Pinnochio himself, you have the freedom to be a fucktard.
2.) The stock market doesn't reflect the economic reality that US is doing shitty right now. It reflects speculation. HTH. If that's not enough for you, take a look at the oil markets. It's no longer controlled by supply and demand, but by speculation.
3.) Jobs won't be lost by increasing wages. You'll get more competition and more skilled player by raising wages. Also, do you really think the oligarchs that control the corporations haven't already pared down their use of labor to the minimum already to achieve maximum efficiency? For an extra penny a year they'd gladly axe 1000 employees. They can't do this because they've already squeezed the efficiency grapefruit as much as it can be squeezed.
4.) If none of this makes sense to you, buy a plane ticket to Southern California ASAP and walk directly into the nearest forest fire you can find.
Basically you have a bunch of people who think someone else will pay, so they add "everyone deserve a living wage" along with being against war, rape, elder abuse, and child molestation in their profiles in courage quiver and look cool to their friends. The reality is they don't think they will be the ones paying. It's easy to be compassionate and charitable with someone else's business and money. And this is simply charity. You get no compassion points by simply having the government do the dirty work with other peoples money.
I don't know what the equilibrium price is for labor. If it is significant lower that $15 then businesses will invest capital to reduce labor costs. There will be winners and losers. If anyone thinks they only thing that will happen will be everyone making $9.50 will make $15 without other consequences is a fucktard.
In the end, a little more liberty is given up to the government. Set by step we look to the state to provide for our comfort. We demonize those that provide the power to the economic engine and somehow the person paying the bills becomes the problem and the asshole. So government does more. Prints more money, feeds Wall Street, the rich get richer and the middle guy gets fucked again. Government needs to wet their beak in every deal. The corrupt government picks winners and losers, corporatism, cronyism, and special favors are the rule in government. And the people are blind to it because they are happy to do the minimum and feed at the trough of the big government handout.
People that want to raise the minimum wage rate don't understand that besides the inflationary consequences, what will end up happening is that those jobs will gradually be squeezed out of the system.
I wonder how many people have thought about why it is that the Dow is setting records at all times yet the (reported) unemployment rate is still over 6% - which in the past would have been considered a sign of a recession? In fact, the unemployment rate for April of 6.3%, which is by far the low mark of the Obama administration, is equal to the highest rate in the Dubya administration from the time of taking over through October of 2008 when on his way out of the office and I'm pretty sure everybody in the world knew that Obama was taking over.
How can the market be so good yet the unemployment rates so poor?
And people continue to believe the myth that the Democrats are the ones that are so worried about the poor and the Republicans the ones who only care about profits.
FMFYFE
You're whooshing yourself if you really believe any of the dog shit you've just scraped off the bottom of your shoe and put into words. Lets take apart this shit one step at a time.
1.) To begin with, you're a dunce if you think the true unemployment rate is 6.3%. The reality is closer to 20%. But if you want to believe the facts and figures of an administration that's headed by Pinnochio himself, you have the freedom to be a fucktard.
2.) The stock market doesn't reflect the economic reality that US is doing shitty right now. It reflects speculation. HTH. If that's not enough for you, take a look at the oil markets. It's no longer controlled by supply and demand, but by speculation.
3.) Jobs won't be lost by increasing wages. You'll get more competition and more skilled player by raising wages. Also, do you really think the oligarchs that control the corporations haven't already pared down their use of labor to the minimum already to achieve maximum efficiency? For an extra penny a year they'd gladly axe 1000 employees. They can't do this because they've already squeezed the efficiency grapefruit as much as it can be squeezed.
4.) If none of this makes sense to you, buy a plane ticket to Southern California ASAP and walk directly into the nearest forest fire you can find.
1) yes, unemployment is much higher than 6.3%. howdoes that help the case for $15 a hour?
2) The stock market has been fueled by QE, not so much speculation. The Internet bubble was more of a speculative run up, this is not. It's funny because as the POTUS goes on about income disparity, this is the single most driver of income disparity today. The fed pumping billions a month into Wall Street isn't helping the middle class and Wall Street is profiting. Thanks Obama! (And yes, speculation in oil is distorting the oil market)
3) This point is Fucktarded. Your basically saying we have made all the possible advances in technology there could every be and there is no way labor could be replaced further. Lol. Ok. You're saying Labor is now completely inelastic so the price will not affect the demand curve because we simply have maxed out our efficiency? That's a good one. Might want to step back from this thread and get some perspective. Or maybe spend sometime learning some basics of economics.
4. " is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance." -Murray Rothbard.
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That's what economic freedom (and a small homogeneous population) will do for a country. State price floors on wages will be a setback for them.
Btw. Switzerland has about the same number of people as Washington state. They are white, Western Europeans.
Pole schmole
Born and raised in Seattle, live here now...crazy liberal Jim McDermott has been around awhile is an aging joke but where in the heck did lala-land libs like Ed Murray and Krisna Sawant come from? They are trying to ruin the city.
People that want to raise the minimum wage rate don't understand that besides the inflationary consequences, what will end up happening is that those jobs will gradually be squeezed out of the system.
I wonder how many people have thought about why it is that the Dow is setting records at all times yet the (reported) unemployment rate is still over 6% - which in the past would have been considered a sign of a recession? In fact, the unemployment rate for April of 6.3%, which is by far the low mark of the Obama administration, is equal to the highest rate in the Dubya administration from the time of taking over through October of 2008 when on his way out of the office and I'm pretty sure everybody in the world knew that Obama was taking over.
How can the market be so good yet the unemployment rates so poor?
And people continue to believe the myth that the Democrats are the ones that are so worried about the poor and the Republicans the ones who only care about profits.
FMFYFE
1.) To begin with, you're a dunce if you think the true unemployment rate is 6.3%. The reality is closer to 20%. But if you want to believe the facts and figures of an administration that's headed by Pinnochio himself, you have the freedom to be a fucktard.
2.) The stock market doesn't reflect the economic reality that US is doing shitty right now. It reflects speculation. HTH. If that's not enough for you, take a look at the oil markets. It's no longer controlled by supply and demand, but by speculation.
3.) Jobs won't be lost by increasing wages. You'll get more competition and more skilled player by raising wages. Also, do you really think the oligarchs that control the corporations haven't already pared down their use of labor to the minimum already to achieve maximum efficiency? For an extra penny a year they'd gladly axe 1000 employees. They can't do this because they've already squeezed the efficiency grapefruit as much as it can be squeezed.
4.) If none of this makes sense to you, buy a plane ticket to Southern California ASAP and walk directly into the nearest forest fire you can find.
2) The stock market has been fueled by QE, not so much speculation. The Internet bubble was more of a speculative run up, this is not. It's funny because as the POTUS goes on about income disparity, this is the single most driver of income disparity today. The fed pumping billions a month into Wall Street isn't helping the middle class and Wall Street is profiting. Thanks Obama! (And yes, speculation in oil is distorting the oil market)
3) This point is Fucktarded. Your basically saying we have made all the possible advances in technology there could every be and there is no way labor could be replaced further. Lol. Ok.
You're saying Labor is now completely inelastic so the price will not affect the demand curve because we simply have maxed out our efficiency? That's a good one. Might want to step back from this thread and get some perspective. Or maybe spend sometime learning some basics of economics.
4. " is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance." -Murray Rothbard.
Good day sir!
I said GOOD DAY!