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Give me the arguments for opposing raising the age to 21 to buy a gun

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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,911 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    SFGbob said:

    greenblood said:

    Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

    Give that man a cigar. They are trying to do that now with a Red Flag provision. Why wouldn't you be willing to surrender you due process rights unless you have something to hide?
    You could get RF and not know who was responsible. Just take your guns and then you get to prove you’re innocent. Spending $1000’s defending yourself. Dana L. had a great dissection of RFL.
    It would basically be the ex-wife/girlfriend disarmament law.
    And in any blue jurisdiction, just have an anonymous leftard whistleblower (Mello the leftard downvoter comes to mind) red flag the republican a month before the election and then call the local commie rag and local TV station. barry basically pulled that sh*t in his Senate race against Ryan. They tried to do the same thing with Palin in Alaska. Look what the dems did with Kavanaugh. And you want the same type of people to honestly investigate the red flag allegations? Hell, the police aren't investigating rape charges in some places and there would be no hurry to get a red flag charge investigated and reversed. Just look at how our supposed intelligence agency officials and the DOJ and FBI lied there asses off about Russian collusion. You think a fake little red flag allegation is going to slow them down?

    Just like public transportation. If it was a safe and clean mode of transportation, more people would use it. But in Portland, Seattle and SF there is no commitment to fare enforcement or safety. It you had an honest government with a commitment to actual due process, then I might consider red flag laws. But that world doesn't exist.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    WestlinnDuck said:

    SFGbob said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    SFGbob said:

    greenblood said:

    Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

    Give that man a cigar. They are trying to do that now with a Red Flag provision. Why wouldn't you be willing to surrender you due process rights unless you have something to hide?
    You could get RF and not know who was responsible. Just take your guns and then you get to prove you’re innocent. Spending $1000’s defending yourself. Dana L. had a great dissection of RFL.
    It would basically be the ex-wife/girlfriend disarmament law.
    And in any blue jurisdiction, just have an anonymous leftard whistleblower (Mello the leftard downvoter comes to mind) red flag the republican a month before the election and then call the local commie rag and local TV station. barry basically pulled that sh*t in his Senate race against Ryan. They tried to do the same thing with Palin in Alaska. Look what the dems did with Kavanaugh. And you want the same type of people to honestly investigate the red flag allegations? Hell, the police aren't investigating rape charges in some places and there would be no hurry to get a red flag charge investigated and reversed. Just look at how our supposed intelligence agency officials and the DOJ and FBI lied there asses off about Russian collusion. You think a fake little red flag allegation is going to slow them down?

    Just like public transportation. If it was a safe and clean mode of transportation, more people would use it. But in Portland, Seattle and SF there is no commitment to fare enforcement or safety. It you had an honest government with a commitment to actual due process, then I might consider red flag laws. But that world doesn't exist.
    Do you think that leftists wouldn't be trying to Red Flag people who didn't support gay marriage or trannie rights or vocal opponents of BLM? Hell if you were loudly critical of BLM in the spring of 2020 you were some kind of threat that needed to be removed. The Rats already think most Republicans are not so closeted Klan members. They would constantly be abusing these Red Flag laws.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,911 Standard Supporter
    Hell, parents at school board meetings in Virginia were targeted by the dementia patients AG as "terrorists".
    SFGbob said:

    WestlinnDuck said:

    SFGbob said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    SFGbob said:

    greenblood said:

    Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

    Give that man a cigar. They are trying to do that now with a Red Flag provision. Why wouldn't you be willing to surrender you due process rights unless you have something to hide?
    You could get RF and not know who was responsible. Just take your guns and then you get to prove you’re innocent. Spending $1000’s defending yourself. Dana L. had a great dissection of RFL.
    It would basically be the ex-wife/girlfriend disarmament law.
    And in any blue jurisdiction, just have an anonymous leftard whistleblower (Mello the leftard downvoter comes to mind) red flag the republican a month before the election and then call the local commie rag and local TV station. barry basically pulled that sh*t in his Senate race against Ryan. They tried to do the same thing with Palin in Alaska. Look what the dems did with Kavanaugh. And you want the same type of people to honestly investigate the red flag allegations? Hell, the police aren't investigating rape charges in some places and there would be no hurry to get a red flag charge investigated and reversed. Just look at how our supposed intelligence agency officials and the DOJ and FBI lied there asses off about Russian collusion. You think a fake little red flag allegation is going to slow them down?

    Just like public transportation. If it was a safe and clean mode of transportation, more people would use it. But in Portland, Seattle and SF there is no commitment to fare enforcement or safety. It you had an honest government with a commitment to actual due process, then I might consider red flag laws. But that world doesn't exist.
    Do you think that leftists wouldn't be trying to Red Flag people who didn't support gay marriage or trannie rights or vocal opponents of BLM? Hell if you were loudly critical of BLM in the spring of 2020 you were some kind of threat that needed to be removed. The Rats already think most Republicans are not so closeted Klan members. They would constantly be abusing these Red Flag laws.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,601 Standard Supporter
    Red flag laws worry me the most. How on a zillion domestic disturbance calls and how loony and vindictive people are you'd know why this is a bad deal and a revenge weapon.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,911 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    Red flag laws worry me the most. How on a zillion domestic disturbance calls and how loony and vindictive people are you'd know why this is a bad deal and a revenge weapon.

    Just assume its true, seize the guns or deny the permit and then sue for your 2A rights in front of a commie admin judge with a two year hearing delay.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    USMChawk said:

    pawz said:

    LoneStarDawg said:

    How about stop raising weak incapable children

    Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

    Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

    Winner.


    Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

    Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

    Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
    The militia is the military and the rest of you are an unconstitutional standing army to be tolerated out of the necessity of the modern world.

    If 18 is a citizen and capable of being drafted or voting then that's it.

    If not, then fuck off.

    Fuck this, "the government needs to manage and carve out more exemptions and exceptions."

    There are literally millions of responsible 18yr gun owners. The gun death statistics don't remotely justify impingement on their rights as citizens so you all can "do something" and have good feels about it.

    Talking to the room so don't take it personally @USMChawk or do and we can slap fight at the next tailgate.

    This poster @UW_Doog_Bot makes some good points.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Swaye said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    USMChawk said:

    pawz said:

    LoneStarDawg said:

    How about stop raising weak incapable children

    Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

    Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

    Winner.


    Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

    Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

    Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
    The militia is the military and the rest of you are an unconstitutional standing army to be tolerated out of the necessity of the modern world.

    If 18 is a citizen and capable of being drafted or voting then that's it.

    If not, then fuck off.

    Fuck this, "the government needs to manage and carve out more exemptions and exceptions."

    There are literally millions of responsible 18yr gun owners. The gun death statistics don't remotely justify impingement on their rights as citizens so you all can "do something" and have good feels about it.

    Talking to the room so don't take it personally @USMChawk or do and we can slap fight at the next tailgate.

    This poster @UW_Doog_Bot makes some good points.
    I'm hearing that we should apply rights selectively to those that deserve them. That's what I'm hearing.

    How's everyone feeling after getting red flagged for being on Hardcore Husky?
    They only allow us here so they can know who we are. JWIHDT.

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