MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Got offered hash and coke while in Portugal the other day lol but the city was still clean.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Got offered hash and coke while in Portugal the other day lol but the city was still clean.
Porto or Lisbon? Portugal is fucking awesome. Really interesting country with food to die for.
The Euro cities don't put up with the bullshit of the US west coast. There's no fucking homeless camps, no shit on sidewalks, no beggars with cardboard signs at every intersection. Drug use isn't an excuse for not prosecuting existing laws and civil behavior.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
I could've also just said "See Throbber's comment, above." It's nails.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
Whats your point? I said Portugal decriminalized drugs successful. Oregon half assed it and fucked it up. It can be done,but like everything the left touches here, it turns to shit.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
As a mental excercise legalizing drugs makes sense. In reality it sucks.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
I could've also just said "See Throbber's comment, above." It's nails.
One of Portland's old Jewelers is calling it quits. They tried to hang on but there's not enough traffic in downtown or office workers to keep them going. That's just one story.
I hear COVID did them in and not a bunch of GD worthless mental cases, alcoholics and drug addicts roaming the streets.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why would you think you’d buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why should you buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
I'm at the point is that if you can't care for yourself, then I get to determine your care and it doesn't include alcohol or drugs. Get Sheriff Joe out of retirement from Arizona and start building enforced tent camping in the middle of phucking nowhere. Just passed a 30ish man with a "need money, I'm homeless" sign at the off ramp and he had a puppy. Can't take care of himself, but he needs a dog to also not care for.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why should you buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
I'm at the point is that if you can't care for yourself, then I get to determine your care and it doesn't include alcohol or drugs. Get Sheriff Joe out of retirement from Arizona and start building enforced tent camping in the middle of phucking nowhere. Just passed a 30ish man with a "need money, I'm homeless" sign at the off ramp and he had a puppy. Can't take care of himself, but he needs a dog to also not care for.
Same with fat people. If you can’t put down the feed bag, I get to decide what you eat. Obesity is the 3rd leading cause of death and costs us billions.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
Whats your point? I said Portugal decriminalized drugs successful. Oregon half assed it and fucked it up. It can be done,but like everything the left touches here, it turns to shit.
My point is that we in the US, especially on the West Coast, are too fucking lazy to follow up on any such treatment or diversion programs, so "harm reduction" is a complete and total myth. IDGAF what Portugal does. IT WILL NOT WORK IN THE U.S., ESPECIALLY THE WEST COAST.
So it's an idea that's DOA, but you can dream on about it as you like.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why would you think you’d buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
Sorry, but history has shown that argument is bankrupt.
The less Seattle pursues illegal drug activity, the more of it we see, and the more junkies come to Seattle, busting the bank of social services, which increase dramatically every year. Legalization is a nice theory. In practice, it's worse than the War on Drugs, given it's cost, failure rates, and lazy pro-drug assholes who inhabit all the rehab programs that don't work. At least the War on Drugs provides SOME LEVEL of deterrence. Harm Reduction provides absolutely none. Hence, its abject failure up and down the West Coast.
I agree. Pretending we can put some meth and fentanyl addict into an involuntary 30 day in patient care program for $10,000 to $20,000 then turn him loose is an idiot's fantasy, let alone 10,000 homeless in Oregon alone.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
Whats your point? I said Portugal decriminalized drugs successful. Oregon half assed it and fucked it up. It can be done,but like everything the left touches here, it turns to shit.
My point is that we in the US, especially on the West Coast, are too fucking lazy to follow up on any such treatment or diversion programs, so "harm reduction" is a complete and total myth. IDGAF what Portugal does. IT WILL NOT WORK IN THE U.S., ESPECIALLY THE WEST COAST.
So it's an idea that's DOA, but you can dream on about it as you like.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why would you think you’d buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
Sorry, but history has shown that argument is bankrupt.
The less Seattle pursues illegal drug activity, the more of it we see, and the more junkies come to Seattle, busting the bank of social services, which increase dramatically every year. Legalization is a nice theory. In practice, it's worse than the War on Drugs, given it's cost, failure rates, and lazy pro-drug assholes who inhabit all the rehab programs that don't work. At least the War on Drugs provides SOME LEVEL of deterrence. Harm Reduction provides absolutely none. Hence, its abject failure up and down the West Coast.
The social cost are enormous. The main reason that kids end up in the foster care system is because of their parents drug usage.
Decriminalizing drugs isn't a good play. Making them easier to get just makes more addicts. Some drugs are so highly addictive one use makes addicts. Addicts are not something we need more of. Almost everything you see when looking at the homeless is caused by three things: mental problems, drugs or alcohol.
Where do these free drugs come from?
Sounds like you’re ready to go back to prohibition.
You can buy them for the addicts then. I don't want to.
You don’t buy alcohol for addicts, why would you think you’d buy drugs?
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
Sorry, but history has shown that argument is bankrupt.
The less Seattle pursues illegal drug activity, the more of it we see, and the more junkies come to Seattle, busting the bank of social services, which increase dramatically every year. Legalization is a nice theory. In practice, it's worse than the War on Drugs, given it's cost, failure rates, and lazy pro-drug assholes who inhabit all the rehab programs that don't work. At least the War on Drugs provides SOME LEVEL of deterrence. Harm Reduction provides absolutely none. Hence, its abject failure up and down the West Coast.
You’re not listening. It’s not just decriminalizing drugs or making drugs legal. Like I said, Oregon fucked up. And you’re on,by seeing the tip of the iceberg. Strung out people of the streets. That number is dwarfed by people who are using and are not wandering around yelling. Again, Portugal, Not the half way stupid approach done in Oregon.
And yes, when all else fails the threat of incarceration is in play.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
Whats your point? I said Portugal decriminalized drugs successful. Oregon half assed it and fucked it up. It can be done,but like everything the left touches here, it turns to shit.
My point is that we in the US, especially on the West Coast, are too fucking lazy to follow up on any such treatment or diversion programs, so "harm reduction" is a complete and total myth. IDGAF what Portugal does. IT WILL NOT WORK IN THE U.S., ESPECIALLY THE WEST COAST.
So it's an idea that's DOA, but you can dream on about it as you like.
Well, keep acting like the war on drugs is ever going to work. Best to get some better ideas on the table.
MYSTIFIED: Overdoses Up 700% After Oregon Decriminalizes Hard Street Drugs. Officials Mystified.
There’s a case to be made for decriminalization, but it involves getting serious about mandator rehab and treatment for mental illness — not just leaving sick people out on the street to “self-medicate” themselves to death.
But that’s what passes for progressive compassion.
I’m very much into decriminalizing drugs. But as usual, the left figures out how to fuck it up.
You already have case studies in Oregon and Washington.
But because you’re afraid Of getting busted with mushrooms, you stay on this stale, misinformed tact.
Sad.
Disagree. Oregon did it but fucked it up. Portugal is actually the correct case study here.
I have never taken an illegal drug in my life.
But I know what the black market is.
I remember the country's prohibition on alcohol phase.
The "war on drugs" has been a costly and catastrophic failure.
Harm Reduction doesn't work either.
We need to acknowledge the obvious: Some people can take drugs without fucking up their lives and burdening society. But too many can't, and they are, and will continue to be, drags on society who consume far too many resources because of their inabilities to handle or manage their addictions. You can appropriately call the war on drugs a failure. But you cannot point to any successes, either.
Read San Fransicko or shit, take a day trip to Vancouver BC to see the proof, first-hand.
People will never stop getting messed up on drugs. They damage can only be contained. Not only did the war on drugs failed, it made things worse. See Portugal for a model of successful controlling the damage. Is the Portugal model scalable to the USA? Oregon tried it, but only did half of it.
If you're dumb enough to get addicted to drugs, I shouldn't have to pay to get you sober. That's on you, druggie.
Some can afford it, some can't. Some steal to afford it. If you can't handle the heat, GTFO of the kitchen. Pretty basic.
PS: Harm reduction policies don't control the damage. They merely hide it, while the damage explodes.
Want proof? Look at the City and County budge requests for "low barrier housing and treatment."
So you didn’t look into how Portugal does it.
I'm aware of how Portugal does it, yes. But they have a comprehensive system that includes law enforcement keeping that shit out of public display and having addicts ruling it's downtowns. Seattle, Portland and Van BC want the easy parts of do-nothing "harm reduction" but they ignore and avoid the hard parts that instead land upon citizens and tourists who can't walk safely and unmolested through their downtowns.
Whats your point? I said Portugal decriminalized drugs successful. Oregon half assed it and fucked it up. It can be done,but like everything the left touches here, it turns to shit.
My point is that we in the US, especially on the West Coast, are too fucking lazy to follow up on any such treatment or diversion programs, so "harm reduction" is a complete and total myth. IDGAF what Portugal does. IT WILL NOT WORK IN THE U.S., ESPECIALLY THE WEST COAST.
So it's an idea that's DOA, but you can dream on about it as you like.
Well, keep acting like the war on drugs is ever going to work. Best to get some better ideas on the table.
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The Euro cities don't put up with the bullshit of the US west coast. There's no fucking homeless camps, no shit on sidewalks, no beggars with cardboard signs at every intersection. Drug use isn't an excuse for not prosecuting existing laws and civil behavior.
I could've also just said "See Throbber's comment, above." It's nails.
Where do these free drugs come from?
I hear COVID did them in and not a bunch of GD worthless mental cases, alcoholics and drug addicts roaming the streets.
But you seem to enjoy spending billions on enforcement, incarceration, and waring with cartels.
So it's an idea that's DOA, but you can dream on about it as you like.
Sorry, but history has shown that argument is bankrupt.
The less Seattle pursues illegal drug activity, the more of it we see, and the more junkies come to Seattle, busting the bank of social services, which increase dramatically every year. Legalization is a nice theory. In practice, it's worse than the War on Drugs, given it's cost, failure rates, and lazy pro-drug assholes who inhabit all the rehab programs that don't work. At least the War on Drugs provides SOME LEVEL of deterrence. Harm Reduction provides absolutely none. Hence, its abject failure up and down the West Coast.
And yes, when all else fails the threat of incarceration is in play.