Where DeBoer Ranks on Early Power 5 Football Coaches' List
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Fisch over Dickert is just plain dumb if you consider actual results. I am all for putting ANYTHING cuog at the bottom but it doesn't seem right, here.
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DeBoer has potential. We’ll see. There isn’t a chance I would rather have Wilcox or Smith over him. Shaw and Chip have had a lot of past success, but their peaks are over and won’t happen again.rodmansrage said: -
What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
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I agreetheLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it. -
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author called him kirk ferentz light, spot on.RaceBannon said:
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fucking list is shit:
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Steve Sarkisian: This is one of the more confusing results of our rankings this season, though aspects having nothing to do with Sarkisian himself -- the influx of new coaches, substantial drops of others -- may have simply resulted in Sark's slight rise. Last year, Sarkisian took the Texas job and showed up at No. 46 in our rankings. Then, after the Longhorns went 5-7, losing six of the last seven games (including to Kansas) and missing a bowl game for the first time since 2016, Sark rises seven spots in our rankings. I suppose landing a QB like Quinn Ewers and other transfers this offseason has some voters feeling more bullish on him than the results dictate. 2021 rank: 46 (+7)
yes this makes a ton of sense, lose to kansas, pop off 7 spots in the rankings.
I FUCKING HATE LISTS!!!!!!111111!!!!111!!!! -
rodmansrage said:
fucking list is shit:
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team logo
Texas
Steve Sarkisian: This is one of the more confusing results of our rankings this season, though aspects having nothing to do with Sarkisian himself -- the influx of new coaches, substantial drops of others -- may have simply resulted in Sark's slight rise. Last year, Sarkisian took the Texas job and showed up at No. 46 in our rankings. Then, after the Longhorns went 5-7, losing six of the last seven games (including to Kansas) and missing a bowl game for the first time since 2016, Sark rises seven spots in our rankings. I suppose landing a QB like Quinn Ewers and other transfers this offseason has some voters feeling more bullish on him than the results dictate. 2021 rank: 46 (+7)
yes this makes a ton of sense, lose to kansas, pop off 7 spots in the rankings.
I FUCKING HATE LISTS!!!!!!111111!!!!111!!!!
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Beat Oregon nothing else matters!
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He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
Yep. Good recruiting for Fisch considering the circumstances, but he’s never been a very good assistant coach and be hired Johnny fucking Nansen to be his DC. They are going to be horrible again and another 1-3 win season will definitely affect recruiting.EwaDawg said:Fisch over Dickert is just plain dumb if you consider actual results. I am all for putting ANYTHING cuog at the bottom but it doesn't seem right, here.
I forgot they have DeLaura. They might have a decent season for them. Hiring Johnny Nansen as DC tho is a fucking batshit crazy decision. -
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
I don’t get the Dickert love. When an adverse event happens to a sports team, like the coach has a heart attack and dies or the coach gets fired for not taking a vaccine, the teams tend to go one of two ways. They galvanize and overcome or they fall apart. That said, the Coug didn’t go 5-1 in Dickerts time as HC. They went 3-3. Their big win was over a UW team coached by Bob Gregory. Let that sink in. Bob. Gregory. Then after two weeks to get ready for a bowl game they come out flat and lose to a directional school from Michigan. He might be okay. I’m just not as hyped on the guy as some are.RoadDawg55 said:
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
The coug was bound to improve once they stopped watching loose change and other conspiracy docs during film studytheknowledge said:
I don’t get the Dickert love. When an adverse event happens to a sports team, like the coach has a heart attack and dies or the coach gets fired for not taking a vaccine, the teams tend to go one of two ways. They galvanize and overcome or they fall apart. That said, the Coug didn’t go 5-1 in Dickerts time as HC. They went 3-3. Their big win was over a UW team coached by Bob Gregory. Let that sink in. Bob. Gregory. Then after two weeks to get ready for a bowl game they come out flat and lose to a directional school from Michigan. He might be okay. I’m just not as hyped on the guy as some are.RoadDawg55 said:
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
It isn't Dickert Love. Fisch lost to Northern Arizona and UW while finishing 1-11. I guess he started out with zero talent but did I mention that he lost to Northern Arizona?theknowledge said:
I don’t get the Dickert love. When an adverse event happens to a sports team, like the coach has a heart attack and dies or the coach gets fired for not taking a vaccine, the teams tend to go one of two ways. They galvanize and overcome or they fall apart. That said, the Coug didn’t go 5-1 in Dickerts time as HC. They went 3-3. Their big win was over a UW team coached by Bob Gregory. Let that sink in. Bob. Gregory. Then after two weeks to get ready for a bowl game they come out flat and lose to a directional school from Michigan. He might be okay. I’m just not as hyped on the guy as some are.RoadDawg55 said:
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years)
If I didn't, Fisch finished 1-11 and lost to UW and Northern Arizona.
BTW Dickert beat UW quite easily. -
I think Rolo was more of a "Plandemic" guyntxduck said:
The coug was bound to improve once they stopped watching loose change and other conspiracy docs during film studytheknowledge said:
I don’t get the Dickert love. When an adverse event happens to a sports team, like the coach has a heart attack and dies or the coach gets fired for not taking a vaccine, the teams tend to go one of two ways. They galvanize and overcome or they fall apart. That said, the Coug didn’t go 5-1 in Dickerts time as HC. They went 3-3. Their big win was over a UW team coached by Bob Gregory. Let that sink in. Bob. Gregory. Then after two weeks to get ready for a bowl game they come out flat and lose to a directional school from Michigan. He might be okay. I’m just not as hyped on the guy as some are.RoadDawg55 said:
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
Correct.EwaDawg said:
It isn't Dickert Love. Fisch lost to Northern Arizona and UW while finishing 1-11. I guess he started out with zero talent but did I mention that he lost to Northern Arizona?theknowledge said:
I don’t get the Dickert love. When an adverse event happens to a sports team, like the coach has a heart attack and dies or the coach gets fired for not taking a vaccine, the teams tend to go one of two ways. They galvanize and overcome or they fall apart. That said, the Coug didn’t go 5-1 in Dickerts time as HC. They went 3-3. Their big win was over a UW team coached by Bob Gregory. Let that sink in. Bob. Gregory. Then after two weeks to get ready for a bowl game they come out flat and lose to a directional school from Michigan. He might be okay. I’m just not as hyped on the guy as some are.RoadDawg55 said:
DeLaura is a good QB, but I think the OC and new QB will be good and it will work out for them .haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years)
If I didn't, Fisch finished 1-11 and lost to UW and Northern Arizona.
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Great point and I don’t disagree, but is he better than Herm Fisch and Dorrell?haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years)
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Now there's a law firm if I've ever heard onetheLSkid said:
Great point and I don’t disagree, but is he better than Herm Fisch and Dorrell?haie said:
He took his boss's offense and his boss's quarterback and beat the shitty teams (UW, ASU, Arizona) and lost to the decent teams (BYU, Oregon), and then got rid of his boss's offense and quarterback. His defense is typical 'elite cewg' where everyone's impressed it's not bottom 2 in the conference, but it wasn't the reason he did anything.theLSkid said:What dickert did last season was more impressive to me than what Fisch, Dorrell, and Herm did, especially since they beat ASU during the season.
I could be wrong because Rolo recruited the team and put the staff in place, but the way the admin fired him and half the staff during the season, salvaging a 7-6 year for the cuogs is quite the feat imo
Fisch put 12 men on the field against UW after a timeout to lose the game, he is only ranked higher because of the crazy ass class they had this season, which is… fischy.
Let me have it.
He is going to ride that Apple Cup until they can finally afford a new staff (~8 years) -
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches -
There’s a reason there’s a perception that the P12 doesn’t take football seriously
It’s largely a mediocre list
Regardless of the Fisch vs Dickert debate outcome, they both rank as 2 of the worst P5 HC in the country -
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
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People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment -
He’s a good developer and Iowa seems to get some good players to the NFL, but he’s never had a good offense. They are also the type of program that will have an All American type at one LB spot and the other has cement in his shoes.Tequilla said:
People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment -
He’s far from a perfect coachRoadDawg55 said:
He’s a good developer and Iowa seems to get some good players to the NFL, but he’s never had a good offense. They are also the type of program that will have an All American type at one LB spot and the other has cement in his shoes.Tequilla said:
People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment
I think most don’t understand how difficult it is to win big big at Iowa -
Is it a good thing that 1/2 your conference coaches are ranked in the last 15 P5 head coaching spots overall....
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What the fuck is your point. I still wouldn't hire either of those coaches and they're both losers. Hence, they're still at Iowa and Iowa St.Tequilla said:
People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment -
Ferentz is a doog legend that was used to prop up TyTequilla said:
He’s far from a perfect coachRoadDawg55 said:
He’s a good developer and Iowa seems to get some good players to the NFL, but he’s never had a good offense. They are also the type of program that will have an All American type at one LB spot and the other has cement in his shoes.Tequilla said:
People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment
I think most don’t understand how difficult it is to win big big at Iowa
Your take on him is on par with your Emmert take at the same time
Act like you're high standards guy now but your doog always shows through
Mediocre is not something to aspire to
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We needed to give Campbell 8 mil a year. I'm sure it would have worked out.RaceBannon said:
Ferentz is a doog legend that was used to prop up TyTequilla said:
He’s far from a perfect coachRoadDawg55 said:
He’s a good developer and Iowa seems to get some good players to the NFL, but he’s never had a good offense. They are also the type of program that will have an All American type at one LB spot and the other has cement in his shoes.Tequilla said:
People that act like Ferentz is a bad coach amuse meBleachedAnusDawg said:
Matt Campbell - The Kirk Ferentz of Iowa State!Tequilla said:
Campbell has likely peaked out at Iowa St … similar to what Ferentz has done at IowaRaceBannon said:
It is what it is and doesn’t make either bad coaches
Ringing endorsement for hiring him.
The point for both is that there are ceilings of what you can accomplish at both places and both coaches have pushed their schools up against those barriers
The fact that both programs are nationally relevant is more of a testament to them than an indictment
I think most don’t understand how difficult it is to win big big at Iowa
Your take on him is on par with your Emmert take at the same time
Act like you're high standards guy now but your doog always shows through
Mediocre is not something to aspire to
Hth
#TeqThoughts
