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What happened to the screwball?

DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 45,829
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  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 1,197
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    Talking about tunneling, here is a good description of it, Alek Manoa, at the 3:13 mark...
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  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 45,829
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    I saw Phil Niekro pitch in the Kingdome in the 1980s
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  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 1,197
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    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...
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    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Believe it or not, I remember that game. I would have been 13. Watching it on KSTW Channel 11.
    Fishpo31
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    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Four years later, Yankees send Jay Buhner to Seattle for Phelps..
    Fishpo31
  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 1,197
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    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Four years later, Yankees send Jay Buhner to Seattle for Phelps..
    Obligatory…
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  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 13,568
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    Has the hitting approach to utilizing launch angle impacted this at all?
  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 1,197
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    Has the hitting approach to utilizing launch angle impacted this at all?

    Yes...Pitchers used to be classified as "East-West" (sinker, slider, change up, horizontal movement) or "North-South" (four seam FB, straight, 12/6 curveball), usually dictated by arm slot. Harder throwers were usually north-south guys.

    It is now power vs power, max effort every pitch, combined with ridiculous late horizontal and vertical movement of secondary pitches. Everything looks like a FB out of the hand, and off speed pitches are a lot closer velocity-wise to fastballs than they were 10 years ago. Get to two strikes, and elevate the FB...

    The "Art" of pitching is becoming extinct...if you can throw it 95+ with spin rate and have a reasonable facsimile of a breaking pitch, you are in the big leagues. If a guy goes 6 innings, gives up 6 hits and a walk, that used to be pretty good...today, it could mean 5 runs on the board, with three or four jacks. Kids don't learn to pitch today (nor do they want to), they train to throw hard. The hitting side of it is another story...





  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 45,829
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    Fishpo31 said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Four years later, Yankees send Jay Buhner to Seattle for Phelps..
    Obligatory…
    absolute genius
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  • trubluetrublue Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,988
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    edited May 5

    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Believe it or not, I remember that game. I would have been 13. Watching it on KSTW Channel 11.
    Damn. You were born around the time of the Kurt Flood ruling establishing free agency.

    In the 60’s, baseball players were at the mercy of the owners. I remember in mid-60’s when Koufax and Drysdale held out to make $100,000 apiece.

    Earlier, Jackie Robinson retired after the 1956 season when the Brooklyn Dodgers traded him to the to cross-town rival, the New York Giants.
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  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 45,829
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    trublue said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    My first trip to Yankee Stadium in 84, I saw Phil pitch against the Mariners...IIRC, he gave up three hits, and the M's won because 2 of them were upper deck Ken Phelps bombs...

    Believe it or not, I remember that game. I would have been 13. Watching it on KSTW Channel 11.
    Damn. You were born around the time of the Kurt Flood ruling establishing free agency.

    In the 60’s, baseball players were at the mercy of the owners. I remember in mid-60’s when Koufax and Drysdale held out to make $100,000 apiece.

    Earlier, Jackie Robinson retired after the 1956 season when the Brooklyn Dodgers traded him to the to cross-town rival, the New York Giants.
    *Curt

    Yes I was born the year after Flood's free agency ruling
    trublue
  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 1,197
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    This was on my feed today, as a reminder that hitting is harder than it looks…
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