Hand in the dirt - WTF

sinceredawg

I never played team football. But it's often mentioned, when talking about DL schemes, that a lineman on the edge is either standing up or hand-down. This distinction is mentioned so often that you'd think it's really fucking relevant.

How is it relevant? Is there some rule about it? Is it just a matter or leverage vs. speed from a starting stance? Why is this mentioned like it's got big implications?

RaceBannon

A lineman with his hand in the dirt can knock your dick into the dirt

Swaye

RaceBannon said:

A lineman with his hand in the dirt can knock your dick into the dirt

Dicks. Dirt. This checks out.

chuck

Real dirt dwags want their hand in the dirt.

GrundleStiltzkin

sinceredawg said:

I never played team football. But it's often mentioned, when talking about DL schemes, that a lineman on the edge is either standing up or hand-down. This distinction is mentioned so often that you'd think it's really fucking relevant.

How is it relevant? Is there some rule about it? Is it just a matter or leverage vs. speed from a starting stance? Why is this mentioned like it's got big implications?

Despite it being Malarkey Day (hai @PurpleBaze !!), the difference is a function of situation, scheme, and personnel. In simplest terms, standup DL is going to be more of a OLB guym rushing passer and flat contain. @HandInDirtDWAG typically a traditional DE guym with run contain first, pass rush second.

Those distinctions have blurred enough the last quarter-decade to be far less relevant. Coach K often bumped out a big guym to standup in certain situations to play the scheme with same personnel. And vice versa. But that's the prototype.

PurpleBaze

GrundleStiltzkin said:

sinceredawg said:

I never played team football. But it's often mentioned, when talking about DL schemes, that a lineman on the edge is either standing up or hand-down. This distinction is mentioned so often that you'd think it's really fucking relevant.

How is it relevant? Is there some rule about it? Is it just a matter or leverage vs. speed from a starting stance? Why is this mentioned like it's got big implications?

Despite it being Malarkey Day (hai @PurpleBaze !!), the difference is a function of situation, scheme, and personnel. In simplest terms, standup DL is going to be more of a OLB guym rushing passer and flat contain. @HandInDirtDWAG typically a traditional DE guym with run contain first, pass rush second.

Those distinctions have blurred enough the last quarter-decade to be far less relevant. Coach K often bumped out a big guym to standup in certain situations to play the scheme with same personnel. And vice versa. But that's the prototype.

Hand in dirt superiority guym...

GrundleStiltzkin

GrundleStiltzkin said:

sinceredawg said:

I never played team football. But it's often mentioned, when talking about DL schemes, that a lineman on the edge is either standing up or hand-down. This distinction is mentioned so often that you'd think it's really fucking relevant.

How is it relevant? Is there some rule about it? Is it just a matter or leverage vs. speed from a starting stance? Why is this mentioned like it's got big implications?

Despite it being Malarkey Day (hai @PurpleBaze !!), the difference is a function of situation, scheme, and personnel. In simplest terms, standup DL is going to be more of a OLB guym rushing passer and flat contain. @HandInDirtDWAG typically a traditional DE guym with run contain first, pass rush second.

Those distinctions have blurred enough the last quarter-decade to be far less relevant. Coach K often bumped out a big guym to standup in certain situations to play the scheme with same personnel. And vice versa. But that's the prototype.

Quick example, 5-2, outside guys hand in dirt. 3-4, outside are stand-up. Generally.

whatshouldicareabout

GrundleStiltzkin said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

sinceredawg said:

I never played team football. But it's often mentioned, when talking about DL schemes, that a lineman on the edge is either standing up or hand-down. This distinction is mentioned so often that you'd think it's really fucking relevant.

How is it relevant? Is there some rule about it? Is it just a matter or leverage vs. speed from a starting stance? Why is this mentioned like it's got big implications?

Despite it being Malarkey Day (hai @PurpleBaze !!), the difference is a function of situation, scheme, and personnel. In simplest terms, standup DL is going to be more of a OLB guym rushing passer and flat contain. @HandInDirtDWAG typically a traditional DE guym with run contain first, pass rush second.

Those distinctions have blurred enough the last quarter-decade to be far less relevant. Coach K often bumped out a big guym to standup in certain situations to play the scheme with same personnel. And vice versa. But that's the prototype.

Quick example, 5-2, outside guys hand in dirt. 3-4, outside are stand-up. Generally.

May also depend on the gap assignment, scheme/stunts, and personnel they're matching up again.

1to392831weretaken

If your hand is in the dirt, there's nowhere (at least efficiently) to go but forward. A stand-up end/OLB can drop, get wide, etc. more efficiently.