U.S., allies gear up to hammer Russia’s economy after Putin launches attack on Ukraine
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Mark Emmertt 2" of thunder incoming
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China might not bring much to Russia. From my understanding, most of China still runs on coal, not natural gas. Also, the way China is made up, they are extremely concentrated into specific cities. Mostly public transportation. They don’t consume auto fuel like the US.Swaye said:The US and Europe doesn't have the stomach for any of this. This is appeasement that Chamberlain would be proud of. "Sanctions." LOFL. Nord 2 was a good start and credit to Ze Germans for even having the balls for that - side note, hilarious watching the Biden Admin lapdog along after the fact trying to attach their name to this even though they had nada to do with it.
So, beyond Nord 2, what do we have? Same targeted sanctions we used to "strangle" the elites after Crimea. Um, they didn't work from 2014 to 2021 when Biden got rid of them. You read that correctly. When Biden got rid of them. He is reinstituting shit he got rid of that didn't work for the 7 previous years anyway. Good plan. Statecraft like if Sun Tzu's retarded brother fucked a turnip.
There is one thing here that *might* work without boots on the ground. Complete blackout of their economy Iran style. Cut off ALL energy sales and all exports from Russia for everything, and take them completely off SWIFT. They would be a stone age economy in a year and everyone would be starving in Moscow. Even this is perilous though because it could push a weird ugly baby Russia China alliance where China buys energy direct from Russia at reduced prices strengthening both. But it's probably the best we've got short of actual war with the bear. And guess what, nobody is willing to do any of it. Bought and paid for stays bought and paid for on both sides of the Atlantic. NATO will get to scramble some jets and Macron gets to talk tough so that's nice.
So, toss out "strong condemnations" that Putin will wipe his ass with while laughing and realize that Ukranian wife you were about to buy is now Russian. Good game Biden. Good effort. -
They don’t now. But they just signed a pipeline deal like 3 weeks ago.greenblood said:
China might not bring much to Russia. From my understanding, most of China still runs on coal, not natural gas. Also, the way China is made up, they are extremely concentrated into specific cities. Mostly public transportation. They don’t consume auto fuel like the US.Swaye said:The US and Europe doesn't have the stomach for any of this. This is appeasement that Chamberlain would be proud of. "Sanctions." LOFL. Nord 2 was a good start and credit to Ze Germans for even having the balls for that - side note, hilarious watching the Biden Admin lapdog along after the fact trying to attach their name to this even though they had nada to do with it.
So, beyond Nord 2, what do we have? Same targeted sanctions we used to "strangle" the elites after Crimea. Um, they didn't work from 2014 to 2021 when Biden got rid of them. You read that correctly. When Biden got rid of them. He is reinstituting shit he got rid of that didn't work for the 7 previous years anyway. Good plan. Statecraft like if Sun Tzu's retarded brother fucked a turnip.
There is one thing here that *might* work without boots on the ground. Complete blackout of their economy Iran style. Cut off ALL energy sales and all exports from Russia for everything, and take them completely off SWIFT. They would be a stone age economy in a year and everyone would be starving in Moscow. Even this is perilous though because it could push a weird ugly baby Russia China alliance where China buys energy direct from Russia at reduced prices strengthening both. But it's probably the best we've got short of actual war with the bear. And guess what, nobody is willing to do any of it. Bought and paid for stays bought and paid for on both sides of the Atlantic. NATO will get to scramble some jets and Macron gets to talk tough so that's nice.
So, toss out "strong condemnations" that Putin will wipe his ass with while laughing and realize that Ukranian wife you were about to buy is now Russian. Good game Biden. Good effort. -
Weakness is in varying degrees.RaceBannon said:Russia really has nukes and WMDs
This ends when they get bogged down like all great powers these days
Strength brings peace and weakness invites war
That ship sailed
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but we are still buying the Russkies oil - until Biden fires up our oil capabilities we suck at sanctions
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This seems like perfect positioning to break free from the petrodollar and watch the west banks collapse
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Bob_C said:
SWIFT would work if you also cutoff all the central Asian Stan’s and Belarus, etc. But to your point they can get things in and out through China still, which we all know is never going to get cutoff. The big borders they share are in Manchuria, that’s a long way to go to get stuff to western Russia, doable but expensive and slow.Swaye said:The US and Europe doesn't have the stomach for any of this. This is appeasement that Chamberlain would be proud of. "Sanctions." LOFL. Nord 2 was a good start and credit to Ze Germans for even having the balls for that - side note, hilarious watching the Biden Admin lapdog along after the fact trying to attach their name to this even though they had nada to do with it.
So, beyond Nord 2, what do we have? Same targeted sanctions we used to "strangle" the elites after Crimea. Um, they didn't work from 2014 to 2021 when Biden got rid of them. You read that correctly. When Biden got rid of them. He is reinstituting shit he got rid of that didn't work for the 7 previous years anyway. Good plan. Statecraft like if Sun Tzu's retarded brother fucked a turnip.
There is one thing here that *might* work without boots on the ground. Complete blackout of their economy Iran style. Cut off ALL energy sales and all exports from Russia for everything, and take them completely off SWIFT. They would be a stone age economy in a year and everyone would be starving in Moscow. Even this is perilous though because it could push a weird ugly baby Russia China alliance where China buys energy direct from Russia at reduced prices strengthening both. But it's probably the best we've got short of actual war with the bear. And guess what, nobody is willing to do any of it. Bought and paid for stays bought and paid for on both sides of the Atlantic. NATO will get to scramble some jets and Macron gets to talk tough so that's nice.
So, toss out "strong condemnations" that Putin will wipe his ass with while laughing and realize that Ukranian wife you were about to buy is now Russian. Good game Biden. Good effort.
But there is also a small border connection further west up in Uyghur country, seems like this is related to the whole genocide thing.
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Watched some Bloomberg news. Russia has about $700 billion in reserve cash and has alliances with China, Pakistan and India. Further, because the US and other oil producing companies are not prepared, countries in Europe will still be forced to buy their oil and gas. And they can raise the price commensurate with any sanctions that will be levied on them. It's not as if there haven't been sanctions already applied.
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Fuck Germany. And I’m German.WestlinnDuck said:Bob_C said:
SWIFT would work if you also cutoff all the central Asian Stan’s and Belarus, etc. But to your point they can get things in and out through China still, which we all know is never going to get cutoff. The big borders they share are in Manchuria, that’s a long way to go to get stuff to western Russia, doable but expensive and slow.Swaye said:The US and Europe doesn't have the stomach for any of this. This is appeasement that Chamberlain would be proud of. "Sanctions." LOFL. Nord 2 was a good start and credit to Ze Germans for even having the balls for that - side note, hilarious watching the Biden Admin lapdog along after the fact trying to attach their name to this even though they had nada to do with it.
So, beyond Nord 2, what do we have? Same targeted sanctions we used to "strangle" the elites after Crimea. Um, they didn't work from 2014 to 2021 when Biden got rid of them. You read that correctly. When Biden got rid of them. He is reinstituting shit he got rid of that didn't work for the 7 previous years anyway. Good plan. Statecraft like if Sun Tzu's retarded brother fucked a turnip.
There is one thing here that *might* work without boots on the ground. Complete blackout of their economy Iran style. Cut off ALL energy sales and all exports from Russia for everything, and take them completely off SWIFT. They would be a stone age economy in a year and everyone would be starving in Moscow. Even this is perilous though because it could push a weird ugly baby Russia China alliance where China buys energy direct from Russia at reduced prices strengthening both. But it's probably the best we've got short of actual war with the bear. And guess what, nobody is willing to do any of it. Bought and paid for stays bought and paid for on both sides of the Atlantic. NATO will get to scramble some jets and Macron gets to talk tough so that's nice.
So, toss out "strong condemnations" that Putin will wipe his ass with while laughing and realize that Ukranian wife you were about to buy is now Russian. Good game Biden. Good effort.
But there is also a small border connection further west up in Uyghur country, seems like this is related to the whole genocide thing. -
