Based on the job he's done as recruiting coordinator thus far, he's certainly not eating well
Shocked that the internet Husky experts who were dooging on him being this elite hire may have been wrong.
Morgan, Deboer and the entire staff are fucked because UW has no NIL program, not anything that appeals to an 18 year old recruit, anyway. Heard one kid visited and was shown a smoke and mirrors preso. based on built for life. Invest your NIL POTENTIAL opportunities POSSIBLY available, $10,000 invested in a Montlake Futures managed IRA could be worth millions when you retire at age 65. Yes, retired.
Never mind Washington couldn't sway kids the past two years with a come here, let us develop you, go pro in 3-4 years, our track record is better than fill-in-the-blank.
Meanwhile Bama and SC have 40, 50 people in their football development/business/Nil departments. UW has Karen Ramming. Apparently Jen told her to take down her Oregon tweets, so there's that.
Sucks. I think DeBoer (Jens 4th choice behind Aranda, Clawson, and Campbell) is a good hire and like his staff. Donte Williams was here until he found out about UW's Nil offerings.
Based on the job he's done as recruiting coordinator thus far, he's certainly not eating well
Shocked that the internet Husky experts who were dooging on him being this elite hire may have been wrong.
There was always something weird about Morgan leaving his alma mater after less than one year for a lateral job at UW.
E X A C T L Y. If Michigan wanted to keep him, they would have.
It says alot that doogs were ball washing a administrator who after the kids are committed will have minimal contact with. No top end staffs are worried or concerned about Morgan out on the recruiting trail.
1 dawgs gotta win 2 nil strategy needs to get figured out and be lucrative and appealing 3 new ad who understands cfb’s current climate and prioritizes it
Based on the job he's done as recruiting coordinator thus far, he's certainly not eating well
Shocked that the internet Husky experts who were dooging on him being this elite hire may have been wrong.
There was always something weird about Morgan leaving his alma mater after less than one year for a lateral job at UW.
E X A C T L Y. If Michigan wanted to keep him, they would have.
It says alot that doogs were ball washing a administrator who after the kids are committed will have minimal contact with. No top end staffs are worried or concerned about Morgan out on the recruiting trail.
I did enjoy seeing Twitter telling you that if you know how to do it better to get involved and do something about it
Bottom line is if people can’t understand how this all starts/ends at Jen’s feet they are helpless
So are you saying it's Jen's Fault UW has no donors who want to throw money at NIL and recruits with a roi of 0.00% ?
Yes.
Imagine youre interested in investing/donating to the football program to move the needle. If you have the scratch, you'll want a sitdown to see where your money will go. How can my $ help get players capable of winning Rosebowls? What's your NIL strategy? Jen Cohen and Karen Ramming will answer all you're questions.
Karen, what's your background? Oh...
I used to donate. In aggregate, 7 figures to UW football and basketball. Donations + Advertising through IMG (majority of the funds)
I did enjoy seeing Twitter telling you that if you know how to do it better to get involved and do something about it
Bottom line is if people can’t understand how this all starts/ends at Jen’s feet they are helpless
So are you saying it's Jen's Fault UW has no donors who want to throw money at NIL and recruits with a roi of 0.00% ?
Baseman said a lot on this already but I’ll add to it from my perspective
I think there is plenty of money tied to UW that is willing to spend money … you don’t have the AD revenues that we have by accident
The problem UW has with NIL is that to date there isn’t evidence of a competitive strategy or plan. A great example out there is all of the stuff about taking NIL dollars and investing it so you can retire at 65 … while it’s a good strategy for the average person this isn’t the strategy that resonates with NIL dollars.
My take at this point is there is a lot of money sitting to the side knowing that if they give it to Jen to use it’s just going to be mismanaged and wasted.
Whether NIL is managed directly or indirectly by the AD, you can’t have a successful NIL program if the NIL engine and the AD aren’t aligned in all material aspects
The results to date suggest it’s amateur hour at UW and that’s on Jen
I have been saying for a long time that college football is a different sport in places that care. Most of you knew, but conformation is always good to have.
Metaphor: The restaurant kitchen had a wall removed and replaced with frosted glass. You’re able to see a small glimpse of Saturday’s lunch being prepared.
I have been saying for a long time that college football is a different sport in places that care. Most of you knew, but conformation is always good to have.
Metaphor: The restaurant kitchen had a wall removed and replaced with frosted glass. You’re able to see a small glimpse of Saturday’s lunch being prepared.
"No, no. It has nothing to do with programs that 'care' and programs that don't. Players see a football operations building with 34 full time staffers working toward winning in one town, then look at Karen Ramming's hawt Twitter takes and a half dozen grad assistants in another, and they think, 'I can win at both of these places.'
It has nothing to do with mountains of cash/cars/family apartments/etc. being passed to players (always has been happening). Nope, players don't care about that sort of thing. They're rational enough at 18 years old to see that the most direct and guaranteed path to the NFL is the smarter investment. Never mind that there are schools with high NFL placement and shitpiles of illicit cash and benefits.
Nope. None of that mattered. UW kept losing local five-stars because of poor sales. That's all it was. The coaches were just shitty salesmen. We? should bring Tosh Lupoi because because he's good at sales. Prepare to get shit on if you disagree."
--Hardcore Husky
It's partially because of NIL (but moreso because of the transfer portal) that I'm having a hard time even giving a shit anymore. That being said, NIL has been a fascinating window into the relative disparity that existed before NIL. You look at the efforts now--willingness to operate in gray areas, creative bending of NIL rules right in the NCAA's faces, direct efforts by schools to steer programs--and there's no way they don't mirror the efforts before. Just in our little shit corner of the country, you see Oregon selling NFTs and building houses to rent out in players' names, etc. Then you look at Montlake Futures pitching a 401(K). Do you need any more proof that, two or more years ago, local blue-chippers were vising UW with a hand out and getting a red-faced reply from the staff that they wished they could help? It was never (at least primarily) about sales and always about cold, hard cash.
For all of the hate that Petersman gets around here, check out the landscape now and have a little perspective about what he was able to achieve on a playing field that's so tilted it's hard to merely stand up.
I think Pete’s a great coach, but he was dealing with a mostly down Oregon and USC. The rest of the conference gives less of a shit than we do. That’s still the case.
I have been saying for a long time that college football is a different sport in places that care. Most of you knew, but conformation is always good to have.
Metaphor: The restaurant kitchen had a wall removed and replaced with frosted glass. You’re able to see a small glimpse of Saturday’s lunch being prepared.
"No, no. It has nothing to do with programs that 'care' and programs that don't. Players see a football operations building with 34 full time staffers working toward winning in one town, then look at Karen Ramming's hawt Twitter takes and a half dozen grad assistants in another, and they think, 'I can win at both of these places.'
It has nothing to do with mountains of cash/cars/family apartments/etc. being passed to players (always has been happening). Nope, players don't care about that sort of thing. They're rational enough at 18 years old to see that the most direct and guaranteed path to the NFL is the smarter investment. Never mind that there are schools with high NFL placement and shitpiles of illicit cash and benefits.
Nope. None of that mattered. UW kept losing local five-stars because of poor sales. That's all it was. The coaches were just shitty salesmen. We? should bring Tosh Lupoi because because he's good at sales. Prepare to get shit on if you disagree."
--Hardcore Husky
It's partially because of NIL (but moreso because of the transfer portal) that I'm having a hard time even giving a shit anymore. That being said, NIL has been a fascinating window into the relative disparity that existed before NIL. You look at the efforts now--willingness to operate in gray areas, creative bending of NIL rules right in the NCAA's faces, direct efforts by schools to steer programs--and there's no way they don't mirror the efforts before. Just in our little shit corner of the country, you see Oregon selling NFTs and building houses to rent out in players' names, etc. Then you look at Montlake Futures pitching a 401(K). Do you need any more proof that, two or more years ago, local blue-chippers were vising UW with a hand out and getting a red-faced reply from the staff that they wished they could help? It was never (at least primarily) about sales and always about cold, hard cash.
For all of the hate that Petersman gets around here, check out the landscape now and have a little perspective about what he was able to achieve on a playing field that's so tilted it's hard to merely stand up.
Someone looking to buy a sedan can be talked into a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry. But you’re not going to put someone looking for a F150 into one of those. Sales matter, to the Toyota and Honda guy competing for that sale.
Peterman had something to offer besides good coaching and an education. To stay with the metaphor, you can get the F150 shopper into a five year old Silverado, and maybe that’s what was going on. But it’s an uphill battle. Sales do matter in recruiting, like you said cash matters more. Guys like Tosh can convince you to take the used truck, or to take the same truck from a shittier dealership - they don’t convince you that you are better off walking.
As it is right now we’re finding out (more accurately - having it confirmed) that once the Wizard doesn’t have to hide behind the curtain that Oz isn’t as fucking magical as claimed.
Can't wait to see how NIL progresses over the next few seasons.
I imagine some huge donors are going to get stung when they drop a million bucks on a few high 4 stars that can't crack the two deeps. The million dollar tOSU QB already transferred (to Sark of all people).
The talent pool remains the same and there are still only so many spots on the field at once. UW is obviously fucked in the recruiting market right now, but there is still a way to win on the field with the right coach in place. UW has never been a top-10 recruiting school.
Transfer portal will be crazy and where the smart money should be concentrated. If poaching through the portal of our top players we develop becomes commonplace burn the entire thing down, cause that's where we (P12/B12) will get slaughtered.
Can't wait to see how NIL progresses over the next few seasons.
I imagine some huge donors are going to get stung when they drop a million bucks on a few high 4 stars that can't crack the two deeps. The million dollar tOSU QB already transferred (to Sark of all people).
The talent pool remains the same and there are still only so many spots on the field at once. UW is obviously fucked in the recruiting market right now, but there is still a way to win on the field with the right coach in place. UW has never been a top-10 recruiting school.
Transfer portal will be crazy and where the smart money should be concentrated. If poaching through the portal of our top players we develop becomes commonplace burn the entire thing down, cause that's where we (P12/B12) will get slaughtered.
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Never mind Washington couldn't sway kids the past two years with a come here, let us develop you, go pro in 3-4 years, our track record is better than fill-in-the-blank.
Meanwhile Bama and SC have 40, 50 people in their football development/business/Nil departments. UW has Karen Ramming. Apparently Jen told her to take down her Oregon tweets, so there's that.
Sucks. I think DeBoer (Jens 4th choice behind Aranda, Clawson, and Campbell) is a good hire and like his staff. Donte Williams was here until he found out about UW's Nil offerings.
I did enjoy seeing Twitter telling you that if you know how to do it better to get involved and do something about it
Bottom line is if people can’t understand how this all starts/ends at Jen’s feet they are helpless
It says alot that doogs were ball washing a administrator who after the kids are committed will have minimal contact with. No top end staffs are worried or concerned about Morgan out on the recruiting trail.
2 nil strategy needs to get figured out and be lucrative and appealing
3 new ad who understands cfb’s current climate and prioritizes it
Imagine youre interested in investing/donating to the football program to move the needle. If you have the scratch, you'll want a sitdown to see where your money will go. How can my $ help get players capable of winning Rosebowls? What's your NIL strategy? Jen Cohen and Karen Ramming will answer all you're questions.
Karen, what's your background?
Oh...
I used to donate. In aggregate, 7 figures to UW football and basketball. Donations + Advertising through IMG (majority of the funds)
Jen Cohen was the reason I quit.
I think there is plenty of money tied to UW that is willing to spend money … you don’t have the AD revenues that we have by accident
The problem UW has with NIL is that to date there isn’t evidence of a competitive strategy or plan. A great example out there is all of the stuff about taking NIL dollars and investing it so you can retire at 65 … while it’s a good strategy for the average person this isn’t the strategy that resonates with NIL dollars.
My take at this point is there is a lot of money sitting to the side knowing that if they give it to Jen to use it’s just going to be mismanaged and wasted.
Whether NIL is managed directly or indirectly by the AD, you can’t have a successful NIL program if the NIL engine and the AD aren’t aligned in all material aspects
The results to date suggest it’s amateur hour at UW and that’s on Jen
Metaphor: The restaurant kitchen had a wall removed and replaced with frosted glass. You’re able to see a small glimpse of Saturday’s lunch being prepared.
It has nothing to do with mountains of cash/cars/family apartments/etc. being passed to players (always has been happening). Nope, players don't care about that sort of thing. They're rational enough at 18 years old to see that the most direct and guaranteed path to the NFL is the smarter investment. Never mind that there are schools with high NFL placement and shitpiles of illicit cash and benefits.
Nope. None of that mattered. UW kept losing local five-stars because of poor sales. That's all it was. The coaches were just shitty salesmen. We? should bring Tosh Lupoi because because he's good at sales. Prepare to get shit on if you disagree."
--Hardcore Husky
It's partially because of NIL (but moreso because of the transfer portal) that I'm having a hard time even giving a shit anymore. That being said, NIL has been a fascinating window into the relative disparity that existed before NIL. You look at the efforts now--willingness to operate in gray areas, creative bending of NIL rules right in the NCAA's faces, direct efforts by schools to steer programs--and there's no way they don't mirror the efforts before. Just in our little shit corner of the country, you see Oregon selling NFTs and building houses to rent out in players' names, etc. Then you look at Montlake Futures pitching a 401(K). Do you need any more proof that, two or more years ago, local blue-chippers were vising UW with a hand out and getting a red-faced reply from the staff that they wished they could help? It was never (at least primarily) about sales and always about cold, hard cash.
For all of the hate that Petersman gets around here, check out the landscape now and have a little perspective about what he was able to achieve on a playing field that's so tilted it's hard to merely stand up.
The PAC 12 and Big 12 are the minor leagues.
Peterman had something to offer besides good coaching and an education. To stay with the metaphor, you can get the F150 shopper into a five year old Silverado, and maybe that’s what was going on. But it’s an uphill battle. Sales do matter in recruiting, like you said cash matters more. Guys like Tosh can convince you to take the used truck, or to take the same truck from a shittier dealership - they don’t convince you that you are better off walking.
As it is right now we’re finding out (more accurately - having it confirmed) that once the Wizard doesn’t have to hide behind the curtain that Oz isn’t as fucking magical as claimed.
I imagine some huge donors are going to get stung when they drop a million bucks on a few high 4 stars that can't crack the two deeps. The million dollar tOSU QB already transferred (to Sark of all people).
The talent pool remains the same and there are still only so many spots on the field at once. UW is obviously fucked in the recruiting market right now, but there is still a way to win on the field with the right coach in place. UW has never been a top-10 recruiting school.
Transfer portal will be crazy and where the smart money should be concentrated. If poaching through the portal of our top players we develop becomes commonplace burn the entire thing down, cause that's where we (P12/B12) will get slaughtered.