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Gonna have to do that and figure out how to out-bid for at least a select handful of players each year.
Or be a scrappy little team that can get hot and get a good win or two per year while going 8-4. -
There was a lot in what Morgan said I agree with
Then there were other things that I just shook my head on -
Care to elaborate for us pours?Tequilla said:There was a lot in what Morgan said I agree with
Then there were other things that I just shook my head on -
I agreed with a lot of his comments regarding the branding and reputation (from a positive standpoint) about Washington as well as understanding what works for us and recruiting to that
There also was a little too much what I’d term as settling a bit in terms of what we are (should always be striving to grow your brand and reach) and the outward recognition of under the radar recruiting just screams of settling and embracing the grit/humility/underdog mindset that Jen champions
I’ve been fairly clear that there are always under the radar players out there that can be developed and be successful … but those players IMO are much more generally what should be viewed as backup plans instead of primary targets because we’re conceding other targets because for instance they are in SC’s area -
If he really supported us (?), he’d have spelled “bored” correctly.
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Yeah, I didn't read that much into his comments. He basically said the focus is keeping Washington kids home and dominating California. He noted that the 5-star kids that USC wants will stay home. So what. How many five-star players does UW ever get from anywhere, let alone Southern California. Yet even still, there is so much talent there that UW should be able to stock its program with great players (a lot of them need a year or two in the program to develop -- that's going to be where DeBoner earns his keep).
He didn't really say anything that was surprising or worrisome, imho. It was basically a story about how he's gotten to where he is and why he's at Washington. The dude is confident. And the article noted the staff booted Glenn down to director of player development while making the Oregon guy (Henkle?) director of recruiting and a former Michigan guy as director of scouting. Bruce Harrell's daughter is director of on-campus recruiting.
So it soundslike the grown ups are in charge. (Except in the AD's chair, and until that changes, I'm not going to get my hopes up even though I'm doogin more than I have since Peterman first came on board.) -
We went to the playoff in 2016 and the Rose Bowl 3 years ago. We aren't Oregon State. Expectations should be way higher if that's what he's saying. Ugh.Tequilla said:I agreed with a lot of his comments regarding the branding and reputation (from a positive standpoint) about Washington as well as understanding what works for us and recruiting to that
There also was a little too much what I’d term as settling a bit in terms of what we are (should always be striving to grow your brand and reach) and the outward recognition of under the radar recruiting just screams of settling and embracing the grit/humility/underdog mindset that Jen champions
I’ve been fairly clear that there are always under the radar players out there that can be developed and be successful … but those players IMO are much more generally what should be viewed as backup plans instead of primary targets because we’re conceding other targets because for instance they are in SC’s area -
I can’t support anyone who supports us
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All you have to do is look at our “blue chips” currently on the roster. Almost every single one sucks.
You can say Alabama and the other teams that have the top classes win the natties, which is fine. It hasn’t worked out for us. I’m not against highly rated guys, but they also haven’t been what they have been cracked up to be. -
Washington, he said, “has a strong brand, a respected brand. They have a lot of players in the NFL. People don’t really know about the academic value outside of the West Coast. It’s a lot like Michigan — it’s like a West Coast Michigan. It’s a great brand, great city, great uniforms, great facility and stadium. It’s clean, as far as how people perceive the program. Great fan support. These fans are the best fans I’ve ever seen. They are the most ruthless Twitter fans I’ve ever seen.”
Imagine engaging this passion as opposed to disparaging it. -
Morgan sure bounces around a lot. 7 months at Michigan? Anyone know the story there? Hate harbaugh?
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Maybe some time with a real coaching staff we might see improvement?... Chicken or egg, players or coaching. Lake and his staff were poser ass clowns. I think we'll see improvement.RoadDawg55 said:All you have to do is look at our “blue chips” currently on the roster. Almost every single one sucks.
You can say Alabama and the other teams that have the top classes win the natties, which is fine. It hasn’t worked out for us. I’m not against highly rated guys, but they also haven’t been what they have been cracked up to be. -
There's an Adidas joke in there but don't wanna be bannonated.LoneStarDawg said:I can’t support anyone who supports us
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It’s probably a bit of both. Nobody that has left has done well. We recruited and evaluated badly.DawgtillDeath said:
Maybe some time with a real coaching staff we might see improvement?... Chicken or egg, players or coaching. Lake and his staff were poser ass clowns. I think we'll see improvement.RoadDawg55 said:All you have to do is look at our “blue chips” currently on the roster. Almost every single one sucks.
You can say Alabama and the other teams that have the top classes win the natties, which is fine. It hasn’t worked out for us. I’m not against highly rated guys, but they also haven’t been what they have been cracked up to be. -
We went there because we evaluated and developed at an elite level. We also had a handful of guys that were 4*, bonafied blue chips.louism2wash said:
We went to the playoff in 2016 and the Rose Bowl 3 years ago. We aren't Oregon State. Expectations should be way higher if that's what he's saying. Ugh.Tequilla said:I agreed with a lot of his comments regarding the branding and reputation (from a positive standpoint) about Washington as well as understanding what works for us and recruiting to that
There also was a little too much what I’d term as settling a bit in terms of what we are (should always be striving to grow your brand and reach) and the outward recognition of under the radar recruiting just screams of settling and embracing the grit/humility/underdog mindset that Jen champions
I’ve been fairly clear that there are always under the radar players out there that can be developed and be successful … but those players IMO are much more generally what should be viewed as backup plans instead of primary targets because we’re conceding other targets because for instance they are in SC’s area
On that great defense, the only 4*’s were Budda, Qualls, and Mathis. -
What was that line from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure? We’re sitting in front of the Circle K on a Friday night by choice.
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Lawrence_of_a_Labia said:
What was that line from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure?
We’re sitting in front of the Circle K on a Friday night by choice.
New Bored Motto ?
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I have to agree with you; a lot of Washington football players do suck. But, some of the blue chips don’t suck. Out of the 20 or so that don’t, most came from the top third of the highest ranked recruits on the roster. I already checked, but let’s look at this empirically.RoadDawg55 said:All you have to do is look at our “blue chips” currently on the roster. Almost every single one sucks.
You can say Alabama and the other teams that have the top classes win the natties, which is fine. It hasn’t worked out for us. I’m not against highly rated guys, but they also haven’t been what they have been cracked up to be.
Who do you think were the best 10-20 players on the 2021 team? How many of those were blue chip recruits?
UW’s blue chip percentage was 43% so if out of your top-20 players there aren’t more than 8 4-stars then that means blue chips are over represented. Which would mean your opinion, which is clearly a coping mechanism for lowered expectations, is not correct.
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Yeah we don’t need those elite recruits like AlabamaRaceBannon said: -
This says to me that don't necessarily expect the 2023 class to be in the top 25 in average stars. I think it will be in the top 25 overall but they are going to take some guys that are under the radar but are worth taking.
Managing expectations is sensible as long as they don't use it as a crutch for not doing better in WA State and California. -
Wrong movie and wrong convenience store but I think you still get credit.Lawrence_of_a_Labia said:What was that line from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure? We’re sitting in front of the Circle K on a Friday night by choice.
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The expectations are to win the PAC 12. I don’t give a shit how that gets done.RatherBeBrewing said:
I have to agree with you; a lot of Washington football players do suck. But, some of the blue chips don’t suck. Out of the 20 or so that don’t, most came from the top third of the highest ranked recruits on the roster. I already checked, but let’s look at this empirically.RoadDawg55 said:All you have to do is look at our “blue chips” currently on the roster. Almost every single one sucks.
You can say Alabama and the other teams that have the top classes win the natties, which is fine. It hasn’t worked out for us. I’m not against highly rated guys, but they also haven’t been what they have been cracked up to be.
Who do you think were the best 10-20 players on the 2021 team? How many of those were blue chip recruits?
UW’s blue chip percentage was 43% so if out of your top-20 players there aren’t more than 8 4-stars then that means blue chips are over represented. Which would mean your opinion, which is clearly a coping mechanism for lowered expectations, is not correct. -
@RatherBeBrewing
Someone just posted a roster yesterday. Out of upperclassmen “blue chips”, a middling DT (Tuli) was by far the best one. One decent player out of 8 guys.
The rest are young but there isn’t one legitimately good blue chip on the roster. Some on offense will probably turn out to be good.
TBS addicts like you twist it to me saying all blue chips suck. We have done unfathomably bad with them. I’ve been clear we need to evaluate better. -
This is all that comforts me about UW's recent shit recruiting. I will say, the higher rated DB's UW got a few year's back have been really good. Budda, Kyler, Byron, Trent...Every other position has been shite.RoadDawg55 said:@RatherBeBrewing
Someone just posted a roster yesterday. Out of upperclassmen “blue chips”, a middling DT (Tuli) was by far the best one. One decent player out of 8 guys.
The rest are young but there isn’t one legitimately good blue chip on the roster. Some on offense will probably turn out to be good.
TBS addicts like you twist it to me saying all blue chips suck. We have done unfathomably bad with them. I’ve been clear we need to evaluate better. -
That’s directionally where my head went reading it … felt like a preemptive lowering of expectationsHFNY said:This says to me that don't necessarily expect the 2023 class to be in the top 25 in average stars. I think it will be in the top 25 overall but they are going to take some guys that are under the radar but are worth taking.
Managing expectations is sensible as long as they don't use it as a crutch for not doing better in WA State and California. -
The problem Roadie is a lot of dudes on our roster have had shit development for at least 12 months and probably closer to 24 months
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I’ll concede that point, but I also think many simply aren’t good. At this point LIPO and the coaches deserve the benefit of the doubt for a little bit.Tequilla said:The problem Roadie is a lot of dudes on our roster have had shit development for at least 12 months and probably closer to 24 months
There is a severe lack of toughness in the program that needs to be fixed. That also goes hand in hand with recruiting. Don’t bring in guys that don’t love contact. This is football. You can’t get away with being soft, even in the PAC 12. -
I agree with those points … mine is simply I’m not indicating the players until it’s clear it’s on themRoadDawg55 said:
I’ll concede that point, but I also think many simply aren’t good. At this point LIPO and the coaches deserve the benefit of the doubt for a little bit.Tequilla said:The problem Roadie is a lot of dudes on our roster have had shit development for at least 12 months and probably closer to 24 months
There is a severe lack of toughness in the program that needs to be fixed. That also goes hand in hand with recruiting. Don’t bring in guys that don’t love contact. This is football. You can’t get away with being soft, even in the PAC 12.
For this staff they get measured in 2 ways:
1) Can they take the existing roster and transform as an indication that they can coach (the Hop effect)
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I think UW to an extent recruits itself. Some highly touted guys will be interested if UW wins.Tequilla said:
I agree with those points … mine is simply I’m not indicating the players until it’s clear it’s on themRoadDawg55 said:
I’ll concede that point, but I also think many simply aren’t good. At this point LIPO and the coaches deserve the benefit of the doubt for a little bit.Tequilla said:The problem Roadie is a lot of dudes on our roster have had shit development for at least 12 months and probably closer to 24 months
There is a severe lack of toughness in the program that needs to be fixed. That also goes hand in hand with recruiting. Don’t bring in guys that don’t love contact. This is football. You can’t get away with being soft, even in the PAC 12.
For this staff they get measured in 2 ways:
1) Can they take the existing roster and transform as an indication that they can coach (the Hop effect)
2) Can you recruit well enough to sustain your own program
I don’t have low expectations, but this is a physical, tough program. Make that your core and sprinkle in the blue chips at certain positions. We also have to get every elite in state guy. The formula has not changed.
The 2016 team was an elite QB away from truly being capable of winning a title. The only out of state 4 star guys on that team were Ross, Qualls, Mathis, Daniels, and Browning (the weakest link).
We probably still make the playoffs if Ross and Browning were the only two we had. Evaluate better. Get the future pros from Boise State, SDSU, Utah St, etc. I know that if everyone knew those guys were pros, better schools would have signed them, but I do expect and know it’s possible to find better players.
When in doubt, go with the guy that loves to hit. The game hasn’t changed. There really are not many freak athletes out there. A LB/S that runs a 4.7 that loves to hit is better than an athlete like Asa Turner. -
You could have just saved the time and said you don’t know what you’re talking about. Granted, Washington’s team MVP was a walk-on, but if you think none of your blue chips are legitimately good I don’t think you know who those even are.RoadDawg55 said:@RatherBeBrewing
Someone just posted a roster yesterday. Out of upperclassmen “blue chips”, a middling DT (Tuli) was by far the best one. One decent player out of 8 guys.
The rest are young but there isn’t one legitimately good blue chip on the roster. Some on offense will probably turn out to be good.
TBS addicts like you twist it to me saying all blue chips suck. We have done unfathomably bad with them. I’ve been clear we need to evaluate better.
Tuli Letugiaililianalisinaloa? As an FYI he’s the 7th highest rated recruit on Washington’s roster. He was the 104th overall recruit in the country and back in 2018 he was in the top 20 of recruits for Washington, ever.
Trent McDuffie and Kyler Gordon were Washington’s only AP all conference position players. The 9th and 13th highest rated recruits on the roster. Jalen McMillan, Terrell Bynum, and Rome Odunze were the only good offensive players - although I’ll give credit to non-blue chip players Kirkland and Otton as they had been good in years prior. Ufoloshio had an incomplete 2021 and Bruener came on strong as well. The OU transfer Radley-Hines was decent. That’s Washington’s 11 best players of 2021, seven of them were blue chip recruits. Of those, the lowest rated on UW’s roster was 23rd.
