What Pac 12 player you thought was NFL star that ended up nothing.
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Someone said it earlier (too lazy to scroll back), but Ryan Leaf has to be a charter member of this club.
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I thought about listing Hall. He looked like an NFL corner to me but Frisco thought he should play safety. He hated it. He was doomed from the start.creepycoug said:At the risk of offending all Huskies everwhere, do we? include Dana Hall in there too? The stat of "he won a super bowl" is next to meaningless unless the player is the starting QB, and even then, Trent Dilfer. This is a rather harsh write up 49'er site:
Hall was drafted 18th overall from the University of Washington. The 49ers drafted him to be the heir apparent to Ronnie Lott (who had left the 49er in 1990). Sadly Hall fell on his face big time. He would spend all of three seasons with the 49ers, recording just one sack and four interceptions. We cut him after the 1994 season (so he at least got a Super Bowl ring). Hall would then have the misfortune of landing with a Browns team that was leaving Cleveland for Baltimore. When the Browns dissolved Hall would be picked up by the expansion Jaguars for the final two years of his career.
His rookie contract was for three years, $2.7 million, but by the end of his time with the 49ers he was relegated to special teams only.
There's a very good silver lining from this pick though. Hall would be injured early in the 1993 season, forcing a switch up in defense. Merton Hanks would be moved from CB to safety and would excel with three interceptions (one for a TD) in 1993 and seven interceptions in 1994. Without the pick of Hall and his subsequent injury we may never have known what Hanks was capable of.
I never saw combine or pro day testing or analysis on Hall and always wondered if his size at the time just didn't scream CB to NFL teams or if he didn't have the athletic traits of an NFL corner.
The 90-92 teams didn't do all that much at the NFL level for such a dominant, talented team. For some it really surprised me like Hall, Donald Jones and Tommie Smith. Some of the key offensive guys had obvious limitations: Lewis G didn't have great speed and had knee problems, Beno was too slight, Mario was too slight and not fast enough. Billy Joe liked POS cars.
Those weren't really surprising. I thought all that talent on defense would lead to more good NFL careers though. -
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Yep. I think the 84 and 97 teams had much more success in terms of NFL careers. Or at least more success. The 91 team had some great players and that team really loaded up on speed. Andy Mason was a sub-11 second guy who actually saw up close on a track in HS. And the linebackers were ferocious. But let's face it: Stand Entemans made everyone look just a little better.chuck said:
I thought about listing Hall. He looked like an NFL corner to me but Frisco thought he should play safety. He hated it. He was doomed from the start.creepycoug said:At the risk of offending all Huskies everwhere, do we? include Dana Hall in there too? The stat of "he won a super bowl" is next to meaningless unless the player is the starting QB, and even then, Trent Dilfer. This is a rather harsh write up 49'er site:
Hall was drafted 18th overall from the University of Washington. The 49ers drafted him to be the heir apparent to Ronnie Lott (who had left the 49er in 1990). Sadly Hall fell on his face big time. He would spend all of three seasons with the 49ers, recording just one sack and four interceptions. We cut him after the 1994 season (so he at least got a Super Bowl ring). Hall would then have the misfortune of landing with a Browns team that was leaving Cleveland for Baltimore. When the Browns dissolved Hall would be picked up by the expansion Jaguars for the final two years of his career.
His rookie contract was for three years, $2.7 million, but by the end of his time with the 49ers he was relegated to special teams only.
There's a very good silver lining from this pick though. Hall would be injured early in the 1993 season, forcing a switch up in defense. Merton Hanks would be moved from CB to safety and would excel with three interceptions (one for a TD) in 1993 and seven interceptions in 1994. Without the pick of Hall and his subsequent injury we may never have known what Hanks was capable of.
I never saw combine or pro day testing or analysis on Hall and always wondered if his size at the time just didn't scream CB to NFL teams or if he didn't have the athletic traits of an NFL corner.
The 90-92 teams didn't do all that much at the NFL level for such a dominant, talented team. For some it really surprised me like Hall, Donald Jones and Tommie Smith. Some of the key offensive guys had obvious limitations: Lewis G didn't have great speed and had knee problems, Beno was too slight, Mario was too slight and not fast enough. Billy Joe liked POS cars.
Those weren't really surprising. I thought all that talent on defense would lead to more good NFL careers though. -
D'Marco Farr had a decent career. Back up on 91 and a star with UW in 92
Mark Bruener won a ring with Pittsburgh
Farr, Ernie Conwell, and Benji Olsen all played in the Rams Titans Super Bowl -
I scanned this thread and hope this is not a repeat
Billy Joe "They have a play book? Hobert -
Yeah it's not that there was a shortage by any means. It actually adds up to quite a bit of NFL time when you think about it and some damn good careers. I guess it's more about the defense and specific guys I thought would be good pros, especially linebackers, but then I forgot about Jaimie Fields too.RaceBannon said:D'Marco Farr had a decent career. Back up on 91 and a star with UW in 92
Mark Bruener won a ring with Pittsburgh
Farr, Ernie Conwell, and Benji Olsen all played in the Rams Titans Super Bowl -
Looking back on it, there were a good amount of guys who were tweeners for the NFL. Dana Hall was meant more for a Cover 3 D and match-up zones since he was a bigger corner. Andy Mason would probably be a sub-package NFL pass-rusher in the NFL today.creepycoug said:
Yep. I think the 84 and 97 teams had much more success in terms of NFL careers. Or at least more success. The 91 team had some great players and that team really loaded up on speed. Andy Mason was a sub-11 second guy who actually saw up close on a track in HS. And the linebackers were ferocious. But let's face it: Stand Entemans made everyone look just a little better.chuck said:
I thought about listing Hall. He looked like an NFL corner to me but Frisco thought he should play safety. He hated it. He was doomed from the start.creepycoug said:At the risk of offending all Huskies everwhere, do we? include Dana Hall in there too? The stat of "he won a super bowl" is next to meaningless unless the player is the starting QB, and even then, Trent Dilfer. This is a rather harsh write up 49'er site:
Hall was drafted 18th overall from the University of Washington. The 49ers drafted him to be the heir apparent to Ronnie Lott (who had left the 49er in 1990). Sadly Hall fell on his face big time. He would spend all of three seasons with the 49ers, recording just one sack and four interceptions. We cut him after the 1994 season (so he at least got a Super Bowl ring). Hall would then have the misfortune of landing with a Browns team that was leaving Cleveland for Baltimore. When the Browns dissolved Hall would be picked up by the expansion Jaguars for the final two years of his career.
His rookie contract was for three years, $2.7 million, but by the end of his time with the 49ers he was relegated to special teams only.
There's a very good silver lining from this pick though. Hall would be injured early in the 1993 season, forcing a switch up in defense. Merton Hanks would be moved from CB to safety and would excel with three interceptions (one for a TD) in 1993 and seven interceptions in 1994. Without the pick of Hall and his subsequent injury we may never have known what Hanks was capable of.
I never saw combine or pro day testing or analysis on Hall and always wondered if his size at the time just didn't scream CB to NFL teams or if he didn't have the athletic traits of an NFL corner.
The 90-92 teams didn't do all that much at the NFL level for such a dominant, talented team. For some it really surprised me like Hall, Donald Jones and Tommie Smith. Some of the key offensive guys had obvious limitations: Lewis G didn't have great speed and had knee problems, Beno was too slight, Mario was too slight and not fast enough. Billy Joe liked POS cars.
Those weren't really surprising. I thought all that talent on defense would lead to more good NFL careers though.
Let's also not forget Lincoln Kennedy as a key piece to that team who had a 10 year NFL career including a few All-Pros and Pro Bowls. -
Lincoln probably had the very best pro career from that team. You have to count Brunell too, since he would have been the starter but for an unfortunate practice ... he was on the team. But there were a bunch of good/great college players who just didn't translate to the next level. Most great teams have more than a handful of those guys, so it doesn't really matter. And there are so many guys who were almost invisible in college who blow up at the next level. Miami has produced a lot of them.HFNY said:
Looking back on it, there were a good amount of guys who were tweeners for the NFL. Dana Hall was meant more for a Cover 3 D and match-up zones since he was a bigger corner. Andy Mason would probably be a sub-package NFL pass-rusher in the NFL today.creepycoug said:
Yep. I think the 84 and 97 teams had much more success in terms of NFL careers. Or at least more success. The 91 team had some great players and that team really loaded up on speed. Andy Mason was a sub-11 second guy who actually saw up close on a track in HS. And the linebackers were ferocious. But let's face it: Stand Entemans made everyone look just a little better.chuck said:
I thought about listing Hall. He looked like an NFL corner to me but Frisco thought he should play safety. He hated it. He was doomed from the start.creepycoug said:At the risk of offending all Huskies everwhere, do we? include Dana Hall in there too? The stat of "he won a super bowl" is next to meaningless unless the player is the starting QB, and even then, Trent Dilfer. This is a rather harsh write up 49'er site:
Hall was drafted 18th overall from the University of Washington. The 49ers drafted him to be the heir apparent to Ronnie Lott (who had left the 49er in 1990). Sadly Hall fell on his face big time. He would spend all of three seasons with the 49ers, recording just one sack and four interceptions. We cut him after the 1994 season (so he at least got a Super Bowl ring). Hall would then have the misfortune of landing with a Browns team that was leaving Cleveland for Baltimore. When the Browns dissolved Hall would be picked up by the expansion Jaguars for the final two years of his career.
His rookie contract was for three years, $2.7 million, but by the end of his time with the 49ers he was relegated to special teams only.
There's a very good silver lining from this pick though. Hall would be injured early in the 1993 season, forcing a switch up in defense. Merton Hanks would be moved from CB to safety and would excel with three interceptions (one for a TD) in 1993 and seven interceptions in 1994. Without the pick of Hall and his subsequent injury we may never have known what Hanks was capable of.
I never saw combine or pro day testing or analysis on Hall and always wondered if his size at the time just didn't scream CB to NFL teams or if he didn't have the athletic traits of an NFL corner.
The 90-92 teams didn't do all that much at the NFL level for such a dominant, talented team. For some it really surprised me like Hall, Donald Jones and Tommie Smith. Some of the key offensive guys had obvious limitations: Lewis G didn't have great speed and had knee problems, Beno was too slight, Mario was too slight and not fast enough. Billy Joe liked POS cars.
Those weren't really surprising. I thought all that talent on defense would lead to more good NFL careers though.
Let's also not forget Lincoln Kennedy as a key piece to that team who had a 10 year NFL career including a few All-Pros and Pro Bowls. -
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