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The administration will miss volleyball, as sports are long codified as part of the university's mission in the maturation of young adults.RaceBannon said:
Players as employees brings in labor and industry and a lifetime of insurance payouts and a liabilityEmoterman said:
Paying coaches 10mm per annum has nothing in it for the school, but they do it because FB and MBB buoy the non revenue sports. They'll administer player salaries if that's the adaptation it takes to keep this pig alive. At this point, the pig probably needs to die, but it will be kept shambling along as long as possible.RaceBannon said:The coaches lose their gravy train when the golden goose is cooked
No one wins including networks and media. What would NFL rights be worth without college ball and Thursday to Monday to fill up with games?
I'll keep reminding everyone colleges don't have to do this
Unions or employees or payrolls isn't happening. There's nothing in it for the school.
Many fine institutions already hate football. I'm a fan of one of them
If colleges can fund sports no one will pay to watch by having a great football team they will
If they can't they won't and no one will miss volleyball
I don't care if players get paid I'm just convinced they won't
Legally that is
I still watch the teams that try and enjoy it while I can
I'm sure the payouts can be tabbed the same as cash stipends are currently, no further liability. For a time at least.
This thing truly is dead, glad I got my Seahawks tickets. 😬 -
College sports would be club sports if colleges didn't need football to survive the depressionEmoterman said:
The administration will miss volleyball, as sports are long codified as part of the university's mission in the maturation of young adults.RaceBannon said:
Players as employees brings in labor and industry and a lifetime of insurance payouts and a liabilityEmoterman said:
Paying coaches 10mm per annum has nothing in it for the school, but they do it because FB and MBB buoy the non revenue sports. They'll administer player salaries if that's the adaptation it takes to keep this pig alive. At this point, the pig probably needs to die, but it will be kept shambling along as long as possible.RaceBannon said:The coaches lose their gravy train when the golden goose is cooked
No one wins including networks and media. What would NFL rights be worth without college ball and Thursday to Monday to fill up with games?
I'll keep reminding everyone colleges don't have to do this
Unions or employees or payrolls isn't happening. There's nothing in it for the school.
Many fine institutions already hate football. I'm a fan of one of them
If colleges can fund sports no one will pay to watch by having a great football team they will
If they can't they won't and no one will miss volleyball
I don't care if players get paid I'm just convinced they won't
Legally that is
I still watch the teams that try and enjoy it while I can
I'm sure the payouts can be tabbed the same as cash stipends are currently, no further liability. For a time at least.
This thing truly is dead, glad I got my Seahawks tickets. 😬
So it is ingrained to be sure
But things change
I think NIL is the last hope to keep it alive. Not sure why so many here hate it. -
How much Whitman College swag is out there?
There's way too many reasons for schools to keep doing this, even with NIL. -
The fans make it what it is. As long as fans want it, it will exist.
The unlimited portal is rertarded because it fucks with the fans who are the lifeblood.
Regional game, built on regional passions. When players stop sharing that it's a fuck you to the fan.
Pride for the institution is paramount. Constraints on the players are essential. -
Private boosters fuel a lot of it. How much dead buyout money comes from boosters pockets? It's not just official school revenue.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too. -
NIL is just rich get richer, that's why it sucks. Texas boosters are paying scholarship OL $50k a year. There should be a revenue sharing process from ticket sales, television contracts, NIL shit like jerseys and video games, etc, but the current NIL deal alone is just just a cop out making shit worse.
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You could have a college salary cap and Joe Bob is still going to pay more to get Billy Bob to Texasdtd said:NIL is just rich get richer, that's why it sucks. Texas boosters are paying scholarship OL $50k a year. There should be a revenue sharing process from ticket sales, television contracts, NIL shit like jerseys and video games, etc, but the current NIL deal alone is just just a cop out making shit worse.
Just embrace cheating. Its worked for 150 years -
This is like the NBA refusing to pay players because they can get endorsements. Anything and everything to keep paying Mark Emmert 3 million a year. The NCAA will kick this can as slowly as possible to avoid having to shell anything out themselves.RaceBannon said:
You could have a college salary cap and Joe Bob is still going to pay more to get Billy Bob to Texasdtd said:NIL is just rich get richer, that's why it sucks. Texas boosters are paying scholarship OL $50k a year. There should be a revenue sharing process from ticket sales, television contracts, NIL shit like jerseys and video games, etc, but the current NIL deal alone is just just a cop out making shit worse.
Just embrace cheating. Its worked for 150 years -
Your last sentence nails it. Too many pro-player idiots have a backwards view of the value proposition that college football brings.Kingdome_Urinals said:The fans make it what it is. As long as fans want it, it will exist.
The unlimited portal is rertarded because it fucks with the fans who are the lifeblood.
Regional game, built on regional passions. When players stop sharing that it's a fuck you to the fan.
Pride for the institution is paramount. Constraints on the players are essential.
It is not and never has been about the players. Prioritize them and the "get what's yours" mentality, and you have a sport that is slowly eroding. And as a result the next generation of player won't get anything. -
Players may strike at individual institutions but nationally, unless they have uniform national representation, they won't.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too.
Keep in mind that the best-compensated players will be in anti-labor red states, fat and happy, they won't rock the boat. -
Pretty hard for the best compensated players to play without everyone else. NIL probably drives unionization even faster as the have-nots become envious of and embittered towards the players who are getting paid.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Players may strike at individual institutions but nationally, unless they have uniform national representation, they won't.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too.
Keep in mind that the best-compensated players will be in anti-labor red states, fat and happy, they won't rock the boat. -
Need to open it up to more teams for the sake of recruiting. It's the same 3-4 teams every year which only extends the recruiting advantages at those schools. Other schools need a chance to sell the chance of playing in the playoffs if a kid goes to their school. Expand it or get rid of it entirely.RaceBannon said:There is no reason to expand the playoffs
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I doubt that would drive down coaching salaries. What it would do is kill off non-revenue sports at schools.Emoterman said:
Players unionize, demand a share of revenues to be shared roughly equally amongst all players, and eat into the coaches' lucre.YellowSnow said:
The coaching salaries are a joke. I just don’t know how you fix that at this point.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too.
What was the driving force behind the infinite portal, by the way? I assume it will die down when portal products never see the field at their new school, but for now it's a shit show. -
the only reason BCS is better than the playoff system is Ty wasn't involved.
Whatever they do I just do care about one thing, it should contain only league champions - only one member from a league allowed. So if they expand to 8 they better have 8 leagues to pick from. Independents be damned, join a frigging league if you want to win a phony championship. -
I don't think players share uniform grievances. The only ones who feel exploited will be the ones who actually care about studying and are not competing for championships. i.e. Cal and Northwestern players.Emoterman said:
Pretty hard for the best compensated players to play without everyone else. NIL probably drives unionization even faster as the have-nots become envious of and embittered towards the players who are getting paid.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Players may strike at individual institutions but nationally, unless they have uniform national representation, they won't.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too.
Keep in mind that the best-compensated players will be in anti-labor red states, fat and happy, they won't rock the boat.
The SEC players would never strike because so many are taken care of financially and football is a religion and cultural obligation. They have systematic academic fraud in place. Also, keep in mind tons of CFB players pushed to play in the covid year, they didn't want a "work stoppage" over questionable conditions.
The SEC played a full season by itself just fine. They don't need the rest of the country to play.
Pac players might strike. In any case, if player compensation is tied to conference TV packages then it will be a tiered system, SEC at the top, Big behind, Pac in the rear. And the talent hemorrage from the Pac footprint will only accelerate.
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How would you do it?BleachedAnusDawg said:
Need to open it up to more teams for the sake of recruiting. It's the same 3-4 teams every year which only extends the recruiting advantages at those schools. Other schools need a chance to sell the chance of playing in the playoffs if a kid goes to their school. Expand it or get rid of it entirely.RaceBannon said:There is no reason to expand the playoffs
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At some point, there will be a salary cap. Cook it.Emoterman said:
Pretty hard for the best compensated players to play without everyone else. NIL probably drives unionization even faster as the have-nots become envious of and embittered towards the players who are getting paid.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Players may strike at individual institutions but nationally, unless they have uniform national representation, they won't.AEB said:
While I agree with the sentiment that the college game is a joke now or becoming one, I disagree about not paying the players. College coaches by in large are fucking dumbass douches who are grossly overpaid. The source of their incomes are conference TV contracts delivering a product played by the players. NIL is stupid but something better should replace it. Eventually the players are going to strike. Book it.YellowSnow said:
Of course they (NFL) won't. But NIL is by far the biggest crock of bullshit yet to descend upon college football.Emoterman said:
NFL won't draft 18 year olds to directly play against 28 year old men. There are exactly zero who are ready for it... Well maybe a godlike kicker or punter could hack it. This wouldn't happen without farm leagues, and NFL is perfectly content with the ridiculously robust, wide, and deep farm league they've got.YellowSnow said:
I’ve started admitting to my NFL first buddies that the league now has a better product. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth.1to392831weretaken said:
Wasn't this the system that already existed in the early BCS days? Then they expanded it to four?YellowSnow said:
The “cherry bowl” was the best thing @Dennis_DeYoung ever argued for. 1 vs 2 in the AP poll a few weeks after the NYD bowl games.RaceBannon said:Plus one and be done
Restore the tie ins and make New Year's Day great again
Georgia already lost to Bammer. I don’t believe in second chances including conference championship games.
I used to argue for an expanded playoff, but now I really don't give a shit. NIL, the portal, and insane coaching salaries have broken college football. It's like taking the worst of professional sports, turbocharging it, and mixing it with an on-field product less balanced and competitive than high school ball. It's been a long time since I've given a shit about the NFL, as I've always chased the purity and variety of college ball. I can see a world where people like me just start watching high school ball to get our fix.
I wish we could make this offer to the kids: no NIL and no instant transfer portal in exchange for being able to be drafted straight outta high school if needed.
I’d rather deal with one and dones vs the current bull shit.
If a kid's good enough earn money playing sports ball, let them go do it in the pros and leave the college game alone.
As an aside, I met Tedford in the early 2000s while at Berkeley. He’s held a high regard by HH. He’s a fucking meat too.
Keep in mind that the best-compensated players will be in anti-labor red states, fat and happy, they won't rock the boat.
