If Lake is fired, who’s in the candidate pool?
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Fuck him. Go home to Spokane and be the DC for the indoor team.lawsandl said:
He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.MikeDamone said:Looks like Lake is the top candidate
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I think he should go. However, this is the best defense in the league and should be even better against the run.PurpleThrobber said:
Fuck him. Go home to Spokane and be the DC for the indoor team.lawsandl said:
He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.MikeDamone said:Looks like Lake is the top candidate
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Are you doing some kind of bit because you want UW to keep Lake because he is terrible?lawsandl said:
I think he should go. However, this is the best defense in the league and should be even better against the run.PurpleThrobber said:
Fuck him. Go home to Spokane and be the DC for the indoor team.lawsandl said:
He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.MikeDamone said:Looks like Lake is the top candidate
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No. I really think ultimately that a strong Pac - 12 helps all ships rise. Also, do we want a cute regional rivalry or one that changes the national landscape?FremontTroll said:
Are you doing some kind of bit because you want UW to keep Lake because he is terrible?lawsandl said:
I think he should go. However, this is the best defense in the league and should be even better against the run.PurpleThrobber said:
Fuck him. Go home to Spokane and be the DC for the indoor team.lawsandl said:
He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.MikeDamone said:Looks like Lake is the top candidate
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Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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The interior DL should be better against the run. I have no idea what’s going on with the OL.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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The DL definitely hasn't given us what we're used to the last 7-8 years but I think the main factor is they're simply gassed. I've watched our DL give up on plays in the 2nd half numerous times. They're toast and we don't have the depth to sustain the abnormal amount of time they have to be out there. 76 plays to 51 yesterday. 22 to 7 first downs. Two Oregon TDs came after 3-and-outs, one with a 22-yard field. Playing 6 in the box when we know the other team is running doesn't help the DL either.lawsandl said:
The interior DL should be better against the run. I have no idea what’s going on with the OL.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
Despite all that, we're leading the conference in ppg allowed, have given up less (in some cases far less) this season than Bama, Auburn, Oklahoma, Oregon, LSU, Notre Dame, Michigan State, USC, and Texas. Yet here we are at 4-5 with Dylan Morris making Casey Paus look like Trevor Lawrence. -
We should get beau Baldwin!CallMeBigErn said:
I'll wait for your inspiring and insightful suggestions. I'll probably die of starvation before that happens.FremontTroll said:
There it is. The first “but who could we get that is better?” take.CallMeBigErn said:
The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.FremontTroll said:
It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.CallMeBigErn said:
Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.AtomicDawg said:
Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!CallMeBigErn said:If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...
Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)
Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
I knew you could do it.
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If Mora falls through what about Bobby Hauck?
Dude took an FCS team into a ranked P5 team's stadium and beat them.
And I think he did it with Losingham's former DC.
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DieMontlakeBridgeTroll said:If Mora falls through what about Bobby Hauck?
Dude took an FCS team into a ranked P5 team's stadium and beat them.
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Say hello to Mark Helfrich! FOOW!dnc said: -
Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.FremontTroll said:
The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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A great defense doesn’t give up the run so easily. This defense is death by a thousand cuts. They clearly aren’t good enough on the interior to play this scheme.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.FremontTroll said:
The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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Neanderthals. If you have an offense that averages 30 ppg and a defense that gives up 19 ppg, you generally win more games than when your offense is averaging 22 and your defense gives up 19 ppg.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.FremontTroll said:
The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
You disagree that the offense is the main problem or are you completely missing the point? -
Both the offense and defense are the problem. The offense is just historically bad. Special teams are awful too.CallMeBigErn said:
Neanderthals. If you have an offense that averages 30 ppg and a defense that gives up 19 ppg, you generally win more games than when your offense is averaging 22 and your defense gives up 19 ppg.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.FremontTroll said:
The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
You disagree that the offense is the problem or are you completely missing the point? -
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Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
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The defense is good. It’s not great and far from elite.CallMeBigErn said:Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
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Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.CallMeBigErn said:Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
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Sure, I guess. I'm making the argument that the offense is 10x the problem that the defense is. The defense is still pretty good despite the shitshow situations they've been put in all year. Many of their woes are directly correlated with the offensive offense pissing down their leg at every opportunity. Where would our incredible @GreenRiverGatorz -approved advanced defensive metrics be with even a serviceable offense? Teams don't even test our defensive strength this year because they don't have to. It's a horrible snowball effect. The O has killed everything. May we never have to speak of the 2021 UW offense again.AtomicDawg said:
Both the offense and defense are the problem. The offense is just historically bad. Special teams are awful too.CallMeBigErn said:
Neanderthals. If you have an offense that averages 30 ppg and a defense that gives up 19 ppg, you generally win more games than when your offense is averaging 22 and your defense gives up 19 ppg.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.FremontTroll said:
The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
You disagree that the offense is the problem or are you completely missing the point? -
Yeah but we beat Stanford so 🤷♂️lawsandl said:
He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.MikeDamone said:Looks like Lake is the top candidate
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Stanford’s guy can pass.lawsandl said:
Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.CallMeBigErn said:Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
Imagine the best passer on any given year is Chase Garbers. That doesn’t come around often.
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Never meant to imply that the defense was great. I'm implying that it would be better if our offense was worth 1/2 of a shit. It's like clockwork every week. The script is known. Teams get ahead and start running knowing that our offense can't sustain anything. They continue to pound until we're gassed and they start chunking. I could write the gameplan against UW. It's child's play. The defense doesn't deserve immunity but they don't deserve to be raked over the coals like the offense does. Not even close. We're a ranked team with even an average offense and the whole narrative is different. Dono and DyMo need to be shot into space, never to be seen or heard from again, god willing.lawsandl said:
The defense is good. It’s not great and far from elite.CallMeBigErn said:Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
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Welcome back 😆CallMeBigErn said:I don't see us landing a Campbell or Fickell right now. Campbell has had many opportunities to leave and Fickell will be a top option for SEC/BIG 10/ACC schools. He's not a guy who will stick out here. If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...
Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)
Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
That being said, I'm still not convinced that Jimmy isn't the coach with the highest ceiling. Pretty much every HOF coach was decidedly average in their first years as coaches/first years at a school. Peterson was 5-7 at UW, Saban was 7-6 at Bama, Pete Carroll was 6-6 at USC, the list goes on. Coaches need seasoning just like players and every other occupation. Installing your system takes time. He's clearly on the wrong trend but I see a situation where our issues are 99% on our OC and QB. This is a 6-3 to 8-1 team if our offense was even AVERAGE. The fix is obvious. My biggest concern with Jimmy is that he is still rolling out the same trash every fucking week. Stubbornness can be a good and bad quality in an HC. This isn't a good kind. -
What are the key metrics then?
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This is not on brand for you… WTF.CallMeBigErn said:
The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.FremontTroll said:
It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.CallMeBigErn said:
Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.AtomicDawg said:
Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!CallMeBigErn said:If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...
Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)
Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.
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He’s not a good qb yet. He has some good tools but not a complete qb.Quietcowskee said:
Stanford’s guy can pass.lawsandl said:
Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.CallMeBigErn said:Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.
Imagine the best passer on any given year is Chase Garbers. That doesn’t come around often. -
The issues are with Lake.CallMeBigErn said:Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.
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The Cristobal was trash as a hc previously is weird. Easily the most successful coach in fiu program history. Going 8-5 at fiu is more impressive than going 11-1 at Oregon.dirtysouwfdawg said:
This is not on brand for you… WTF.CallMeBigErn said:
The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.FremontTroll said:
It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.CallMeBigErn said:
Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.AtomicDawg said:
Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!CallMeBigErn said:If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...
Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)
Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.
Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?
