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If Lake is fired, who’s in the candidate pool?

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  • theLSkid
    theLSkid Member Posts: 344
    lawsandl said:

    I can’t understand why someone isn’t going after the Coastal Carolina coach.

    South Carolina offered (from what I was told), Coastal returned 20 starters this season so he thought they could sneak into a NYC6 I'm assuming.. ?
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    theLSkid said:

    lawsandl said:

    I can’t understand why someone isn’t going after the Coastal Carolina coach.

    South Carolina offered (from what I was told), Coastal returned 20 starters this season so he thought they could sneak into a NYC6 I'm assuming.. ?
    That would be my guess.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    edited November 2021
    lawsandl said:

    theLSkid said:

    lawsandl said:

    I can’t understand why someone isn’t going after the Coastal Carolina coach.

    South Carolina offered (from what I was told), Coastal returned 20 starters this season so he thought they could sneak into a NYC6 I'm assuming.. ?
    That would be my guess.
    Also, he probably thought he could up his stock. SCAR is a nightmare job.
  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited November 2021
    I don't see us landing a Campbell or Fickell right now. Campbell has had many opportunities to leave and Fickell will be a top option for SEC/BIG 10/ACC schools. He's not a guy who will stick out here. If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

    Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

    Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

    That being said, I'm still not convinced that Jimmy isn't the coach with the highest ceiling. Pretty much every HOF coach was decidedly average in their first years as coaches/first years at a school. Peterson was 5-7 at UW, Saban was 7-6 at Bama, Pete Carroll was 6-6 at USC, the list goes on. Coaches need seasoning just like players and every other occupation. Installing your system takes time. He's clearly on the wrong trend but I see a situation where our issues are 99% on our OC and QB. This is a 6-3 to 8-1 team if our offense was even AVERAGE. The fix is obvious. My biggest concern with Jimmy is that he is still rolling out the same trash every fucking week. Stubbornness can be a good and bad quality in an HC. This isn't a good kind.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    lawsandl said:


    From the college ranks:
    T1
    Campbell
    Fickell
    T2
    Hafley
    Patterson (depending on if he still wants to corch)
    T3
    Deboer
    Norvell
    Monken
    T4
    Choate

    FML
    It’s not a good time to be in the market.
    The market is fine. We are just with the poors. It used to be we weren’t.

    Regardless hiring is a crap shoot. It’s about rewarding the guy who has success so he never wants to leave. Also, it’s about firing the guy after year 3 if he sucks. Sooner if they are jimmy lake.
    This is the real issue. UW should not be limited on who they can go after and pay. Current leadership sees this program as a top 25 challenger, not a site for a top ten elite program. The coaches list will be similar to guys WSU goes after because that will be both who displays interest under current circumstances and who the UW will pay fairly. If a better coach lands here it will be because they see an opportunity to run the Pac12, and that vision will not come from the AD.

    This. Whether you liked Rick or not, he was highly thought of and they went and pursued him at Colorado when he wasn’t necessarily thinking about the uw job. Paid him a bunch and sold him on the program. Colorado was basically same level as prestige as uw back then.

    IMO Pete got the program to a spot where it would be appealing to someone like the coach of Iowa fucking state. They ruined that a bit with the hiring of lake. So now $$$$ can show commitment and attract a ton of candidates. I don’t have faith that they’ll do it but that’s where we are.
    Campbell can go where he wants. Right now LSU, USC and Florida is inevitable. All three won it all in the 21st century.
  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:


    From the college ranks:
    T1
    Campbell
    Fickell
    T2
    Hafley
    Patterson (depending on if he still wants to corch)
    T3
    Deboer
    Norvell
    Monken
    T4
    Choate

    FML
    It’s not a good time to be in the market.
    The market is fine. We are just with the poors. It used to be we weren’t.

    Regardless hiring is a crap shoot. It’s about rewarding the guy who has success so he never wants to leave. Also, it’s about firing the guy after year 3 if he sucks. Sooner if they are jimmy lake.
    This is the real issue. UW should not be limited on who they can go after and pay. Current leadership sees this program as a top 25 challenger, not a site for a top ten elite program. The coaches list will be similar to guys WSU goes after because that will be both who displays interest under current circumstances and who the UW will pay fairly. If a better coach lands here it will be because they see an opportunity to run the Pac12, and that vision will not come from the AD.

    This. Whether you liked Rick or not, he was highly thought of and they went and pursued him at Colorado when he wasn’t necessarily thinking about the uw job. Paid him a bunch and sold him on the program. Colorado was basically same level as prestige as uw back then.

    IMO Pete got the program to a spot where it would be appealing to someone like the coach of Iowa fucking state. They ruined that a bit with the hiring of lake. So now $$$$ can show commitment and attract a ton of candidates. I don’t have faith that they’ll do it but that’s where we are.
    Campbell can go where he wants. Right now LSU, USC and Florida is inevitable. All three won it all in the 21st century.
    Maybe. Those jobs are competitive though. I don’t think he is at the top of any of those schools lists though. Iowa state is good but not great.

    A coach that competent would probably dominate the pac12 right now with usc recruiting though.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:


    From the college ranks:
    T1
    Campbell
    Fickell
    T2
    Hafley
    Patterson (depending on if he still wants to corch)
    T3
    Deboer
    Norvell
    Monken
    T4
    Choate

    FML
    It’s not a good time to be in the market.
    The market is fine. We are just with the poors. It used to be we weren’t.

    Regardless hiring is a crap shoot. It’s about rewarding the guy who has success so he never wants to leave. Also, it’s about firing the guy after year 3 if he sucks. Sooner if they are jimmy lake.
    This is the real issue. UW should not be limited on who they can go after and pay. Current leadership sees this program as a top 25 challenger, not a site for a top ten elite program. The coaches list will be similar to guys WSU goes after because that will be both who displays interest under current circumstances and who the UW will pay fairly. If a better coach lands here it will be because they see an opportunity to run the Pac12, and that vision will not come from the AD.

    This. Whether you liked Rick or not, he was highly thought of and they went and pursued him at Colorado when he wasn’t necessarily thinking about the uw job. Paid him a bunch and sold him on the program. Colorado was basically same level as prestige as uw back then.

    IMO Pete got the program to a spot where it would be appealing to someone like the coach of Iowa fucking state. They ruined that a bit with the hiring of lake. So now $$$$ can show commitment and attract a ton of candidates. I don’t have faith that they’ll do it but that’s where we are.
    Campbell can go where he wants. Right now LSU, USC and Florida is inevitable. All three won it all in the 21st century.
    Maybe. Those jobs are competitive though. I don’t think he is at the top of any of those schools lists though. Iowa state is good but not great.

    A coach that competent would probably dominate the pac12 right now with usc recruiting though.
    Oregon’s roster will be massively upgraded next season and levels up again 2023. Mario is king right now. UW is going to bleed more talent and will have some bad holes on the roster.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    LebamDawg said:

    ESPN + has an article on Deion Sanders and 12 other coaches that could make the jump to FBS - knowing ESPN it is just a list of black coaches.

    Would take Deon in a second. Dude could get into every living room in the country.

    His pre- and post game talks are epic.

    Walks the talk. Second greatest athlete of my lifetim. Not some N Spokane poser.

    He’ll be the next FSU coach
  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Tequilla said:

    UW was paying Pete $5M+

    Top end of CFB not in the Saban or Jimbo range is in the $7-8M range

    There are more than enough big swinging ducks at UW to get to that range with commitment

    You don’t create a NIL shell entity to hire mediocre coaches

    Like I’ve said elsewhere … aim high

    True but this is before some the inflated tv contracts were agreed to. Big 10 and SEC coaches are king. Other jobs outside there are a different lower income bracket in most cases. I fear that’s how our ADept views us.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,273

    Steve Sarkisian looks like he is going to be tanned rested and ready after his brief vacation to Texas.

    Sark struggled at UW USC and well Texas too but he's learned a lot and is ready now
    You can’t expect to win at those bottom feeder schools
  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited November 2021

    If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

    Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

    Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

    Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!
    Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.
  • Bread
    Bread Member Posts: 4,073
    Gregory, Malloe, Jake
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    Well, this was all theoretical. Can’t believe Lake has survived.
  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028

    If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

    Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

    Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

    Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!
    Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.
    It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.
    The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    lawsandl said:

    Well, this was all theoretical. Can’t believe Lake has survived.

    He isnt
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

    Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

    Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

    Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!
    Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.
    It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.
    The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.
    Some people aren’t seeing the landscape well. We got Taggart after losing Rhule to Baylor.
  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited November 2021

    If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

    Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

    Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitake
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Best
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

    Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!
    Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.
    It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.
    The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.
    There it is. The first “but who could we get that is better?” take.

    I knew you could do it.
    I'll wait for your inspiring and insightful suggestions. I'll probably die of starvation before that happens.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Looks like Lake is the top candidate
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,069

    LebamDawg said:

    ESPN + has an article on Deion Sanders and 12 other coaches that could make the jump to FBS - knowing ESPN it is just a list of black coaches.

    Would take Deon in a second. Dude could get into every living room in the country.

    His pre- and post game talks are epic.

    Walks the talk. Second greatest athlete of my lifetim. Not some N Spokane poser.

    He’ll be the next FSU coach
    Likely. But a two year stopover in Seattle would do volumes to flush this program of its soft victim mentality culture.

  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    Looks like Lake is the top candidate

    He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.