They are employees, not student-athletes
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Fuck - this is what happens when you have too many smarty pants in one place with too much time on their hands.
One of many problems: Northwestern's player profile is, no doubt, not representative of the typical D1 football program. Ironically, there are probably a lot more actual students on that roster than, say, Ohio State's. -
Why does the player profile matter?creepycoug said:Fuck - this is what happens when you have too many smart pants in one place with too much time on their hands.
One of many problems: Northwestern's player profile is, no doubt, not representative of the typical D1 football program. Ironically, there are probably a lot more actual students on that roster than, say, Ohio State's.
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To me, it's almost all that matters, because the argument against calling them employees is based on an anachronism - the tired and unrealistic notion of real student status. Holding to the old notion of amateurism and the ideal of the kid who is there to go to school and as a side matter wants to participate in athletics is a about as self-delusional as any institution of significance in our society I can think of.
Most of the kids on a D1 roster aren't real students. They barely get through, their degrees are mostly made up and they need a lot of help and cojoling to get it done. I used to tutor at the EOP center just off Brooklyn ... I worked with a lot of the football players. I know of what I speak.
There was a fucker on fagman who argued with me on this and tried to insist as evidence that Donald Jones was one of the most thoughtful contributors in some poli sci class he had with him. I called him out on that as straight up made up bullshit because I had Donald sit right next to me in a Drama 101 quiz section (taught by a heroin addict), and Donald struggled A LOT. The fagman poster didn't hold his position too enthusiastically I suspect because he was making it up and knew I knew better.
And that's what we all do. We make it up that these fuckers are students. They are not. Most of them would struggle to get through community college w/o A LOT of help.
Mind you, I don't give a fuck, but it is straight up made up bullshit to call even 30% of those fuckers real college students. They are not.
Now, at Northwestern, I'm guessing the percentage is a lot higher than it is anywhere in the SEC sans Vandy. That's all I'm saying. It would be easier to carry this argument at Oklahoma than at one of the top national universities in the country. -
Bye bye college football.
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Yeah because people are going to throw away a billion dollar industry.sarktastic said:Bye bye college football.
College football as we know it, perhaps, will end. But change isn't always bad. -
Can we save a bit of the drama? This will have no impact on public institutions.sarktastic said:
Bye bye college football.
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Gave this a thumb up for the bolded part alone. I love it when you call Doogs on their bullshit and they are left with fucking nothing. "But, still".creepycoug said:To me, it's almost all that matters, because the argument against calling them employees is based on an anachronism - the tired and unrealistic notion of real student status. Holding to the old notion of amateurism and the ideal of the kid who is there to go to school and as a side matter wants to participate in athletics is a about as self-delusional as any institution of significance in our society I can think of.
Most of the kids on a D1 roster aren't real students. They barely get through, their degrees are mostly made up and they need a lot of help and cojoling to get it done. I used to tutor at the EOP center just off Brooklyn ... I worked with a lot of the football players. I know of what I speak.
There was a fucker on fagman who argued with me on this and tried to insist as evidence that Donald Jones was one of the most thoughtful contributors in some poli sci class he had with him. I called him out on that as straight up made up bullshit because I had Donald sit right next to me in a Drama 101 quiz section (taught by a heroin addict), and Donald struggled A LOT. The fagman poster didn't hold his position too enthusiastically I suspect because he was making it up and knew I knew better.
And that's what we all do. We make it up that these fuckers are students. They are not. Most of them would struggle to get through community college w/o A LOT of help.
Mind you, I don't give a fuck, but it is straight up made up bullshit to call even 30% of those fuckers real college students. They are not.
Now, at Northwestern, I'm guessing the percentage is a lot higher than it is anywhere in the SEC sans Vandy. That's all I'm saying. It would be easier to carry this argument at Oklahoma than at one of the top national universities in the country. -
You think Ohio State is going to let Northwestern outspend them on players?HuskyJW said:Can we save a bit of the drama? This will have no impact on public institutions.
sarktastic said:Bye bye college football.
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Doogs are secretly happy now they can bitch about how Oregon is outspending the Huskies. It's not "fair" blah blah blah.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You think Ohio State is going to let Northwestern outspend them on players?HuskyJW said:Can we save a bit of the drama? This will have no impact on public institutions.
sarktastic said:Bye bye college football.
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Good poont. Driving up the cost of "labor" at college football programs like USC, Notre Dame, Miami, Stanford, Northwestern, Vandy, Boston College, etc. and their competitive position, will have no impact on the college football landscape. Nor will it force public schools to revise their policies related to sponsoring sports like football and basketball. Relax. Everything is ok!HuskyJW said:Can we save a bit of the drama? This will have no impact on public institutions.
sarktastic said:Bye bye college football.
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