It doesn’t matter how many times communism has failed, capitalism still has to actually work.

RaceBannon

Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck

When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing

GrundleStiltzkin

RaceBannon said:

Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck

When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing

I firmly believe one of the greatest and most disruptive single changes we° could make is eliminate employer tax withholding & remittance. Your taxes, you write the check.

UW_Doog_Bot

TheKobeStopper said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

TheKobeStopper said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.

Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.

I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.

Then make use of capitalism and free markets instead of government central planning. One makes things cheaper and one makes them more scarce and hoarded by elites.

The trouble is that you think of these things in reverse. You buy the political slogan that politicians want to "make things affordable". They want scarcity and the power to manage that scarcity in a manner that benefits them.

Meanwhile, the free market is over here driving costs down on anything that isn't rent captured and pushing innovation even in areas that are.

Capitalism is the single most efficient system for improving the lives of the average citizen and their access to scarce resources.

UW_Doog_Bot

Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

• Healthcare
  
• Education
  
• Housing
  
• Childcare
  

Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate

• Computers
  
• Cellphones and other electronics
  
• Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
  
• Media content
  

Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.

UW_Doog_Bot

Relatedly, it has always amazed me that people buy the "we will have a society free from social hierarchies if we empower the government" as though the government isn't inherently a hierarchical structure.

Bob_C

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

• Healthcare
  
• Education
  
• Housing
  
• Childcare
  

Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate

• Computers
  
• Cellphones and other electronics
  
• Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
  
• Media content
  

Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.

You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.

TurdBomber

pawz said:

at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.

No way in hell that was "slave labor".

Obviously you've internalized your exploitation. If Libtards say you were a slave, then you were.

They know you better than you know yourself, you see.

RaceBannon

Bob_C said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

• Healthcare
  
• Education
  
• Housing
  
• Childcare
  

Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate

• Computers
  
• Cellphones and other electronics
  
• Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
  
• Media content
  

Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.

You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.

Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending

Bob_C

RaceBannon said:

Bob_C said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

• Healthcare
  
• Education
  
• Housing
  
• Childcare
  

Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate

• Computers
  
• Cellphones and other electronics
  
• Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
  
• Media content
  

Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.

You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.

Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending

Same. Willing to pay for actual infrastructure in a gaap fixed asset accounting sense. @kobestopper will have to look that one up before telling me that I’m wrong. Though each road that gets built has less utility than the previous one. So in that sense should willing to pay less in taxes for roads over time.

Sources

RaceBannon said:

Bob_C said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

• Healthcare
  
• Education
  
• Housing
  
• Childcare
  

Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate

• Computers
  
• Cellphones and other electronics
  
• Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
  
• Media content
  

Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.

You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.

Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending

Brave, especially in that era