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It doesn’t matter how many times communism has failed, capitalism still has to actually work.

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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    thechatch said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.

    You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.

    Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
    I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    edited October 2021

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.

  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,088 Standard Supporter
    thechatch said:

    14 and 15 year olds are exactly who should be working at McDonalds.

    It’s fucking McDonalds.

    If you’re 30 and you work there, I don’t know what to tell you.

    Exactly
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,088 Standard Supporter

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...
    Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down....
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    If I like my once and future Dickensian dystopia, may I keep it?
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,320 Founders Club
    Goduckies said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...
    Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down....
    Your last point is the irony of all of this. It’s very true. Looking back on everything, starting to back the loans may have been the single worst policy ever created. Lots of current issues that get traced back to this.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,662 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.

    The guy voting for totally owned and paid for politicians only wants money out of the opposition candidates. Soros is money is the best money Slobber boy? Foreign money? Just which money is ok for your side?

    How much of Joes own money went into campaigns? We do know Trump spent quite a bit of his own money. Are we to assume you're really a Trump guy then?
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,509 Standard Supporter

    thechatch said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.

    You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.

    Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
    I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.
    Explain it to me, then.

    I really want to hear the part-time barista level-set to the group on how we make the cost of goods and services disappear in healthcare and education.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.

    No way in hell that was "slave labor".