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It doesn’t matter how many times communism has failed, capitalism still has to actually work.
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I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.
Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist. -
I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.thechatch said:
I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.
Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist. -
Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
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Exactlythechatch said:14 and 15 year olds are exactly who should be working at McDonalds.
It’s fucking McDonalds.
If you’re 30 and you work there, I don’t know what to tell you. -
If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down.... -
If I like my once and future Dickensian dystopia, may I keep it?
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Your last point is the irony of all of this. It’s very true. Looking back on everything, starting to back the loans may have been the single worst policy ever created. Lots of current issues that get traced back to this.Goduckies said:
If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down.... -
The guy voting for totally owned and paid for politicians only wants money out of the opposition candidates. Soros is money is the best money Slobber boy? Foreign money? Just which money is ok for your side?Swaye said:
Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
How much of Joes own money went into campaigns? We do know Trump spent quite a bit of his own money. Are we to assume you're really a Trump guy then? -
Explain it to me, then.TheKobeStopper said:
I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.thechatch said:
I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.
Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
I really want to hear the part-time barista level-set to the group on how we make the cost of goods and services disappear in healthcare and education. -
at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.
No way in hell that was "slave labor". -
Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck
When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing -
I firmly believe one of the greatest and most disruptive single changes we° could make is eliminate employer tax withholding & remittance. Your taxes, you write the check.RaceBannon said:Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck
When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing -
Then make use of capitalism and free markets instead of government central planning. One makes things cheaper and one makes them more scarce and hoarded by elites.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
The trouble is that you think of these things in reverse. You buy the political slogan that politicians want to "make things affordable". They want scarcity and the power to manage that scarcity in a manner that benefits them.
Meanwhile, the free market is over here driving costs down on anything that isn't rent captured and pushing innovation even in areas that are.
Capitalism is the single most efficient system for improving the lives of the average citizen and their access to scarce resources. -
Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up. - Healthcare
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Relatedly, it has always amazed me that people buy the "we will have a society free from social hierarchies if we empower the government" as though the government isn't inherently a hierarchical structure.
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You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up. - Healthcare
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Obviously you've internalized your exploitation. If Libtards say you were a slave, then you were.pawz said:at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.
No way in hell that was "slave labor".
They know you better than you know yourself, you see. -
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending - Healthcare
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Same. Willing to pay for actual infrastructure in a gaap fixed asset accounting sense. @kobestopper will have to look that one up before telling me that I’m wrong. Though each road that gets built has less utility than the previous one. So in that sense should willing to pay less in taxes for roads over time.RaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
- Healthcare
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Brave, especially in that eraRaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending - Healthcare
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Yup that's why I mentioned it. There is a reason college costs have exploded... free money... hyper inflation is bad no matter what the avenueBob_C said:
Your last point is the irony of all of this. It’s very true. Looking back on everything, starting to back the loans may have been the single worst policy ever created. Lots of current issues that get traced back to this.Goduckies said:
If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down.... -
Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.RaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending - Healthcare
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I had to explain to one of mine what the Medicare deduction was. “Why do I have to pay that”? Don’t worry honey, it’ll be bankrupt in 2026.RaceBannon said:Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck
When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing -
Who doesn't have healthcare in this country right now Kobe? Btw, what do you think the impact on our healthcare system will be after Biden, the guy you voted for, lets in millions of more illegals immigrants? Who does that hurt the most when it comes to healthcare Kobe?TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that. -
Same goes for the dipshit who acts like it is free.TheKobeStopper said:
I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.thechatch said:
I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.TheKobeStopper said:
I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.TheKobeStopper said:
As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.
I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.
Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist. -
Goduckies said:
Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.RaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
Meme fodder. Let me tell you all of my stories working with corrupt Cal Trans and DOT officials. - Healthcare
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AOC liked this one.
Maybe they didn’t have an RSU program at her bar?
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In 1956 it took Ike and national securityUW_Doog_Bot said:Goduckies said:
Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.RaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
Meme fodder. Let me tell you all of my stories working with corrupt Cal Trans and DOT officials.
They also had to buy off the cities
The memes are true now
A private company built an off ramp by Dupont for pennies compared to DOT - Healthcare
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What are we in year 20 on the I-5 money pit near the Tacoma Dome? I recall how long it took them to complete the Olympia money pit. I shit you not the other day I started counting the "workers" standing around watching the few that were working on the Max Line near Lloyd Center in PDX. I got up to 10 before the light changed.RaceBannon said:
In 1956 it took Ike and national securityUW_Doog_Bot said:Goduckies said:
Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.RaceBannon said:
Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channelBob_C said:
You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.UW_Doog_Bot said:Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Childcare
- Computers
- Cellphones and other electronics
- Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
- Media content
Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built
I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them
Not bike lanes and magic unicorns
The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
Meme fodder. Let me tell you all of my stories working with corrupt Cal Trans and DOT officials.
They also had to buy off the cities
The memes are true now
A private company built an off ramp by Dupont for pennies compared to DOT - Healthcare
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Well, that's just flat fucking wrong.Bob_C said:AOC liked this one.
Maybe they didn’t have an RSU program at her bar?
Stock grants are indeed taxable to the recipient -which is kind of fucked because in order to pay the tax on the income, one has to liquidate a portion of the stock.
Stock options aren't taxable (assuming they are above market price at the date of grant) until they are exercised.
There's generally also years between the date the stock based compensation expense is recognized on the books and when it is actually deductible for tax purposes to the corporation, if ever.
Fuck off, AOC.
