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It doesn’t matter how many times communism has failed, capitalism still has to actually work.

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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    thechatch said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.

    You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.

    Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
    I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    edited October 2021
    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.

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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    thechatch said:

    14 and 15 year olds are exactly who should be working at McDonalds.

    It’s fucking McDonalds.

    If you’re 30 and you work there, I don’t know what to tell you.

    Exactly
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...
    Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down....
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    If I like my once and future Dickensian dystopia, may I keep it?
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    Goduckies said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...
    Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down....
    Your last point is the irony of all of this. It’s very true. Looking back on everything, starting to back the loans may have been the single worst policy ever created. Lots of current issues that get traced back to this.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    Fair, balanced and truthful. More of this. Less trannies in bathrooms.

    The guy voting for totally owned and paid for politicians only wants money out of the opposition candidates. Soros is money is the best money Slobber boy? Foreign money? Just which money is ok for your side?

    How much of Joes own money went into campaigns? We do know Trump spent quite a bit of his own money. Are we to assume you're really a Trump guy then?
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  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,206
    TheKobeStopper said:

    thechatch said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.

    You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.

    Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
    I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.
    Explain it to me, then.

    I really want to hear the part-time barista level-set to the group on how we make the cost of goods and services disappear in healthcare and education.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,430 Founders Club
    at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.

    No way in hell that was "slave labor".
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    Relatedly, it has always amazed me that people buy the "we will have a society free from social hierarchies if we empower the government" as though the government isn't inherently a hierarchical structure.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    at 11yo I worked in a batting cage. I made something like $1-$1.25 per hour. When I got paid at the end of the night, I thought I was fucking rich.

    No way in hell that was "slave labor".

    Obviously you've internalized your exploitation. If Libtards say you were a slave, then you were.

    They know you better than you know yourself, you see.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
    Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

    Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

    I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

    Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

    The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
    Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

    Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

    I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

    Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

    The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
    Same. Willing to pay for actual infrastructure in a gaap fixed asset accounting sense. @kobestopper will have to look that one up before telling me that I’m wrong. Though each road that gets built has less utility than the previous one. So in that sense should willing to pay less in taxes for roads over time.
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    Goduckies said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    If you want healthcsre get a job that offers it. Money out of politics fine. As long as that goes for unions too...
    Free college, no way, you got 12 years free... now either work for it or take a loan out from private lender.... get rid of subsidized loans and the cost will go way down....
    Your last point is the irony of all of this. It’s very true. Looking back on everything, starting to back the loans may have been the single worst policy ever created. Lots of current issues that get traced back to this.
    Yup that's why I mentioned it. There is a reason college costs have exploded... free money... hyper inflation is bad no matter what the avenue
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
    Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

    Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

    I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

    Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

    The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
    Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    RaceBannon said:

    Everyone remembers when they found out how much taxes suck

    When you got that first paycheck and it had money missing

    I had to explain to one of mine what the Medicare deduction was. “Why do I have to pay that”? Don’t worry honey, it’ll be bankrupt in 2026.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited October 2021
    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    Who doesn't have healthcare in this country right now Kobe? Btw, what do you think the impact on our healthcare system will be after Biden, the guy you voted for, lets in millions of more illegals immigrants? Who does that hurt the most when it comes to healthcare Kobe?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    TheKobeStopper said:

    thechatch said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Capitalism created a society where child labor wasn't required to survive.

    As I’ve said many times, capitalism has been great. A giant leap forward for civilization.
    Yet you want to replace it with a system which has had to revert to child labor in every society its been installed.
    I want people to have healthcare, I want money out of politics, I want tuition free college.

    I expect America to be capitalist for my entire life and that’s okay. And yes, capitalism is one of the reasons I’m afforded the ability to say that.
    I’m going to let you in a little secret, Kobe…and I want you to remember this, if nothing else, going forward.

    You absolutely cannot make something “free” and avoid its immediate and almost total de-valuation. Full stop, it’s a cold-welded fact of society and human nature. You need to get it out of your head that a service provided by others should be free to anyone who wants to utilize it, be it education, healthcare, or anything else you’re currently dreaming of not having to pay for.

    Someone, somewhere is funding that service. Free does not exist.
    I cannot express how fucking stupid you sound trying to explain that “well actually” things aren’t free.
    Same goes for the dipshit who acts like it is free.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    AOC liked this one.

    Maybe they didn’t have an RSU program at her bar?

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Goduckies said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
    Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

    Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

    I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

    Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

    The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
    Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.






    Meme fodder. Let me tell you all of my stories working with corrupt Cal Trans and DOT officials.
    In 1956 it took Ike and national security

    They also had to buy off the cities

    The memes are true now

    A private company built an off ramp by Dupont for pennies compared to DOT
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    RaceBannon said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Goduckies said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Things government has "made affordable" over the last several decades

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Housing
    • Childcare
    Things that the government has ignored in which free markets have been able to operate
    • Computers
    • Cellphones and other electronics
    • Elective surgeries such as hair transplants and breast implants
    • Media content
    Notice a common correlation? I can literally learn a trade from home right now on a cellphone that cost me almost nothing on a media platform that actually costs me nothing. All because the government didn't intervene to "make it affordable" to do so. How's your prospects of buying a home? How much did your education cost you? LoL if you think you can afford kids and childcare if the other two are hurting you.

    Free markets and competition make things affordable to the common man. Central planning and regulation drive costs up.
    You didn’t build those roads though post incoming.
    Watched a show on the Interstates on the History channel

    Amazing engineering that in no way could be duplicated today. I have no idea how cost effective it was, and it was a trillion or two over budget but they basically built the interstates in 12 years. I was there as we trans itioned from US 99 to I 5 or the Five as we like to call it. Martin Way, Capital Way. Marginal Way in Seattle. We watched the Beacon Hill cut being built

    I may have a point - I'll pay taxes for good roads and lots of them

    Not bike lanes and magic unicorns

    The rest of government is a shit show. National defense is also something worth paying for but government has become bloated beyond all recognition and we are currently pretending we can tax someone else and keep jacking up spending
    Yup I am a limited government libertarian, not no government libertarian as some of the real crazy libertarians are lol... roads is one of them that I believe in spending good money on.... one thing that pisses me off is they starve the road budget so they force people to raise taxes saying they have no money for roads... the typical bait and switch.






    Meme fodder. Let me tell you all of my stories working with corrupt Cal Trans and DOT officials.
    In 1956 it took Ike and national security

    They also had to buy off the cities

    The memes are true now

    A private company built an off ramp by Dupont for pennies compared to DOT
    What are we in year 20 on the I-5 money pit near the Tacoma Dome? I recall how long it took them to complete the Olympia money pit. I shit you not the other day I started counting the "workers" standing around watching the few that were working on the Max Line near Lloyd Center in PDX. I got up to 10 before the light changed.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    edited October 2021
    Bob_C said:

    AOC liked this one.

    Maybe they didn’t have an RSU program at her bar?

    Well, that's just flat fucking wrong.

    Stock grants are indeed taxable to the recipient -which is kind of fucked because in order to pay the tax on the income, one has to liquidate a portion of the stock.

    Stock options aren't taxable (assuming they are above market price at the date of grant) until they are exercised.

    There's generally also years between the date the stock based compensation expense is recognized on the books and when it is actually deductible for tax purposes to the corporation, if ever.

    Fuck off, AOC.



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