LOL. Solid take

LawDawg1

dnc

It’s a blackeye for @Emoterman, IMO

DerekJohnson

dnc said:

It’s a blackeye for @Emoterman, IMO

I'm more concerned about the phone not being charged

PurpleBaze

LawDawg1 said:

You only point out when @Emoterman is wrong.

RoadDawg55

Empterman hit the positive points on why the Lake hire could be good. Getting rid of Pete’s offense and more aggressive recruiting was the posidoog take.

We did get rid of Pete’s offense. It is now worse. Everything else got worse too, and the recruiting sucks.

dnc

RoadDawg55 said:

Empterman hit the positive points on why the Lake hire could be good. Getting rid of Pete’s offense and more aggressive recruiting was the posidoog take.

We did get rid of Pete’s offense. It is now worse. Everything else got worse too, and the recruiting sucks.

It was basically the common assumption. Jimmy could take the good of Pete and eliminate the bad.

It's just like "we were one drive away from being 2-0 in conference". It's easy to assume you can change what went wrong and keep what went right.

It's hard.

DerekJohnson

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Empterman hit the positive points on why the Lake hire could be good. Getting rid of Pete’s offense and more aggressive recruiting was the posidoog take.

We did get rid of Pete’s offense. It is now worse. Everything else got worse too, and the recruiting sucks.

It was basically the common assumption. Jimmy could take the good of Pete and eliminate the bad.

It's just like "we were one drive away from being 2-0 in conference". It's easy to assume you can change what went wrong and keep what went right.

It's hard.

I shake my head every time I read that quote. Utterly pathetic and embarrassing.

GrundleStiltzkin

No love for my edgelordship demanding conference titles? I’m hurt.

dnc

GrundleStiltzkin said:

No love for my edgelordship demanding conference titles? I’m hurt.

I shake my head every time I read that quote. Utterly pathetic and embarrassing

BeerThirty

LawDawg1 said:

ouch. Cut my wrists ouch

RoadDawg55

Takes are no big deal. We are all dumb fans and are going to get some shit wrong. Sticking with the shit takes, when they are obviously wrong is what bothers me.

Tequilla

RoadDawg55 said:

Takes are no big deal. We are all dumb fans and are going to get some shit wrong. Sticking with the shit takes, when they are obviously wrong is what bothers me.

There are some around here that if you ask them never get shit wrong

As you noted, if you’re going to have opinions you’re going to get some stuff wrong

The world clearly would be a better place if everybody was vanilla and had no opinions

Canadawg

Alot of people thought the same way. Even the ones that didn't like the hire would have looked for the energy and recruiting to be good.

dnc

RoadDawg55 said:

Takes are no big deal. We are all dumb fans and are going to get some shit wrong. Sticking with the shit takes, when they are obviously wrong is what bothers me.

Yep, sticking with them/pretending you were never wrong about anything in the first place is the issue.

I believed we would go 12-0 in 2003. I wanted Jim Mora to be our coach and support taking him a birthday cake. I subscribed to Dawgman for years.

I'm as dumb as they fucking come and have been for years.

dflea

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Takes are no big deal. We are all dumb fans and are going to get some shit wrong. Sticking with the shit takes, when they are obviously wrong is what bothers me.

Yep, sticking with them/pretending you were never wrong about anything in the first place is the issue.

I believed we would go 12-0 in 2003. I wanted Jim Mora to be our coach and support taking him a birthday cake. I subscribed to Dawgman for years.

I'm as dumb as they fucking come and have been for years

And you're still the brains of this fucking outfit.

AtomicDawg

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Takes are no big deal. We are all dumb fans and are going to get some shit wrong. Sticking with the shit takes, when they are obviously wrong is what bothers me.

Yep, sticking with them/pretending you were never wrong about anything in the first place is the issue.

I believed we would go 12-0 in 2003. I wanted Jim Mora to be our coach and support taking him a birthday cake. I subscribed to Dawgman for years.

I'm as dumb as they fucking come and have been for years.

So much courage in this post.

HFNY

I don't think it was a totally unreasonable take at the time, especially because Peterson had promoted Jimmy Lake to Co-DC so that he could be the head guy somewhere. It's pretty clear Pete Kwiatkowski never wanted to be a Head Coach while JL had been yearning for it for some years.

In other words, hindsight is 20-20 but as other poasters have said, doubling down rather than admitting being wrong is the worst (I was one of the ones who thought Lake would do well enough as the HC while getting rid of the dead wood assistants while amping up recruiting).

So now that it's obvious Lake isn't the guy, it's up to Jen Cohen not to double down and add terrible insult to injury by keeping him in 2022. In a dollar terms a cost / benefit analysis:

1. Keep Lake in 2022, save about $5.5 million on his salary and the assistant, and hope he can staunch the bleeding in recruiting (say goodbye to Josh Conerly though) and guilt trip the guys considering the transfer portal with big tears and sad faces.

2. Pay Lake $9.9 million and $4 million to $5 million to most / all of the assistants to go away. Pricey but a new / competent coach with previous HC experience and a better network for assistants would preserve (or even boost) 2022 and beyond ticket sales, concession sales, merchandise, and all of the other wonderful things that come from excitement. What do Tyee people pay, about $1,500 per season ticket? So if you lose 2,000 Tyee accounts with 2 tickets each, that is 4,000 tickets / donations at $3,000 a pop which equals $12 million dollars annually.

A more intangible value / asset would be boosting recruiting (I have heard at least two stories of bad recruiting by this current staff, one in-state PSA and one out of state PSA), especially considering how many WA State players in the 2021 and 2022 classes have spurned the Huskies for other programs. I'm sure one of you degenerates has calculated how much a Top 10 Class is worth vs. a Top 25 class vs. a Top 35 vs. a Top 50.

In terms of class rankings on 247, UW was 16th in 2020, was 36th in 2021, and is #53 in 2022.

Now that I think of it, has anything actually progressed with Jimmy Lake as the HC besides anger?

insinceredawg

HFNY said:

A more intangible value / asset would be boosting recruiting (I have heard at least two stories of bad recruiting by this current staff, one in-state PSA and one out of state PSA)

Spill it

AtomicDawg

HFNY said:

I don't think it was a totally unreasonable take at the time, especially because Peterson had promoted Jimmy Lake to Co-DC so that he could be the head guy somewhere. It's pretty clear Pete Kwiatkowski never wanted to be a Head Coach while JL had been yearning for it for some years.

In other words, hindsight is 20-20 but as other poasters have said, doubling down rather than admitting being wrong is the worst (I was one of the ones who thought Lake would do well enough as the HC while getting rid of the dead wood assistants while amping up recruiting).

So now that it's obvious Lake isn't the guy, it's up to Jen Cohen not to double down and add terrible insult to injury by keeping him in 2022. In a dollar terms a cost / benefit analysis:

1. Keep Lake in 2022, save about $5.5 million on his salary and the assistant, and hope he can staunch the bleeding in recruiting (say goodbye to Josh Conerly though) and guilt trip the guys considering the transfer portal with big tears and sad faces.

2. Pay Lake $9.9 million and $4 million to $5 million to most / all of the assistants to go away. Pricey but a new / competent coach with previous HC experience and a better network for assistants would preserve (or even boost) 2022 and beyond ticket sales, concession sales, merchandise, and all of the other wonderful things that come from excitement. What do Tyee people pay, about $1,500 per season ticket? So if you lose 2,000 Tyee accounts with 2 tickets each, that is 4,000 tickets / donations at $3,000 a pop which equals $12 million dollars annually.

A more intangible value / asset would be boosting recruiting (I have heard at least two stories of bad recruiting by this current staff, one in-state PSA and one out of state PSA), especially considering how many WA State players in the 2021 and 2022 classes have spurned the Huskies for other programs. I'm sure one of you degenerates has calculated how much a Top 10 Class is worth vs. a Top 25 class vs. a Top 35 vs. a Top 50.

In terms of class rankings on 247, UW was 16th in 2020, was 36th in 2021, and is #53 in 2022.

Now that I think of it, has anything actually progressed with Jimmy Lake as the HC besides anger?

The AD will not work this hard on the cost/benefit analysis. They will work harder than ever to give away as many tickets as possible to make the UCLA game look half way attended.

CuntWaffle

From what I recall MOST were happy/fine with the hire including myself. Like everyone thought it would just be the Petersen formula with a lot more edge and shit talking with even better recruiting. None of those have even come remotely close to happening. So yea it was a garbage hire and the program is going to need a massive purge after Jimmy fucks it all up but a lot of people were dooging on this day week. Maybe the Dabo shit was a stretch but everything else was being parroted on this bored.

Tequilla

AtomicDawg said:

HFNY said:

I don't think it was a totally unreasonable take at the time, especially because Peterson had promoted Jimmy Lake to Co-DC so that he could be the head guy somewhere. It's pretty clear Pete Kwiatkowski never wanted to be a Head Coach while JL had been yearning for it for some years.

In other words, hindsight is 20-20 but as other poasters have said, doubling down rather than admitting being wrong is the worst (I was one of the ones who thought Lake would do well enough as the HC while getting rid of the dead wood assistants while amping up recruiting).

So now that it's obvious Lake isn't the guy, it's up to Jen Cohen not to double down and add terrible insult to injury by keeping him in 2022. In a dollar terms a cost / benefit analysis:

1. Keep Lake in 2022, save about $5.5 million on his salary and the assistant, and hope he can staunch the bleeding in recruiting (say goodbye to Josh Conerly though) and guilt trip the guys considering the transfer portal with big tears and sad faces.

2. Pay Lake $9.9 million and $4 million to $5 million to most / all of the assistants to go away. Pricey but a new / competent coach with previous HC experience and a better network for assistants would preserve (or even boost) 2022 and beyond ticket sales, concession sales, merchandise, and all of the other wonderful things that come from excitement. What do Tyee people pay, about $1,500 per season ticket? So if you lose 2,000 Tyee accounts with 2 tickets each, that is 4,000 tickets / donations at $3,000 a pop which equals $12 million dollars annually.

A more intangible value / asset would be boosting recruiting (I have heard at least two stories of bad recruiting by this current staff, one in-state PSA and one out of state PSA), especially considering how many WA State players in the 2021 and 2022 classes have spurned the Huskies for other programs. I'm sure one of you degenerates has calculated how much a Top 10 Class is worth vs. a Top 25 class vs. a Top 35 vs. a Top 50.

In terms of class rankings on 247, UW was 16th in 2020, was 36th in 2021, and is #53 in 2022.

Now that I think of it, has anything actually progressed with Jimmy Lake as the HC besides anger?

The AD will not work this hard on the cost/benefit analysis. They will work harder than ever to give away as many tickets as possible to make the UCLA game look half way attended.

What’s most likely is the AD will lie to themselves until actual data with renewals comes in and then the spin becomes difficult

I can come up with good arguments for firing Jen regardless of whether she fires Jimmy or not … she’s played her cards and is drawing to a 1 or 2 outter on the River at best ..