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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Like a child the Dazzler actually believes data and numbers reported by this White House.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,335
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    Bernie's been talking about 'taxing the rich' long before I was born, but he's done jack shit about it. When he did finally release his plans, the ugly truth is that the only way to truly pay for all these things is to raise payroll taxes on the middle class, by at least 9%. That was from non-partisan analysis. I don't hear anything coming out of Davos or the World Economic Forum about those fucktards paying more in taxes. Start there.

    I agree with you that wealth should be taxed more heavily. And not starting at $50 million. I'd say $5 million. I think starting at $1 million (as Piketty proposed) is too aggressive.
    So you agree, but still afraid to take off the team jersey?
    I said I'm for a wealth tax more robust than Elizabeth Warren's. I'm not clear what team we're talking about.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,335
    SFGbob said:

    Like a child the Dazzler actually believes data and numbers reported by this White House.

    Unrealized capital gains are like icebergs. Imagine taking them into account.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    That's really dumb, you know. The entire west coast is dominated by democrats, and they can do whatever they want. And as we've already pointed out, raising taxes just to do it isn't the answer. What is it that you want to raise the taxes for? Let's see some solid policy analysis. How much money is being spent on homelessness in Seattle? Should we spend more on that?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    Like a child the Dazzler actually believes data and numbers reported by this White House.

    Unrealized capital gains are like icebergs. Imagine taking them into account.
    Imagine believing anything that's put out by this White House. It would be like actually believing anything you say Dazzler. George Will said that Republicans physically fear for their safety from their own voters.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,335

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    And yet the House has a larger majority than the Senate

    This is the second time this century the democrats control the government

    Obama did NOT get rid of the Bush tax cuts and Biden will NOT get rid of the Trump tax cuts

    Not sure why you think anyone still falls for this bullshit

    Other than you
    No one thinks anything is going to change as things stand. But lying about whether Joe Biden would sign a bill to eliminate the Trump tax cuts insults even Sled's intelligence.

    You vote like you want things to get worse. I vote and contribute to candidates who I think would advance the ball.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,335
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    That's really dumb, you know. The entire west coast is dominated by democrats, and they can do whatever they want. And as we've already pointed out, raising taxes just to do it isn't the answer. What is it that you want to raise the taxes for? Let's see some solid policy analysis. How much money is being spent on homelessness in Seattle? Should we spend more on that?
    If you want to change the subject to local governance, start a new thread. This is about taxes at the federal level.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,527 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    And yet the House has a larger majority than the Senate

    This is the second time this century the democrats control the government

    Obama did NOT get rid of the Bush tax cuts and Biden will NOT get rid of the Trump tax cuts

    Not sure why you think anyone still falls for this bullshit

    Other than you
    No one thinks anything is going to change as things stand. But lying about whether Joe Biden would sign a bill to eliminate the Trump tax cuts insults even Sled's intelligence.

    You vote like you want things to get worse. I vote and contribute to candidates who I think would advance the ball.
    Where is the bill for Biden to sign you lying hack?

    Where is Joe calling for it

    Move the goalposts

    I vote like 7 trillion a year is enough revenue

    I voted for Trump who raised taxes on the rich and lowered mine

    I'm not a dumbfuck Biden voter like you
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,335

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    And yet the House has a larger majority than the Senate

    This is the second time this century the democrats control the government

    Obama did NOT get rid of the Bush tax cuts and Biden will NOT get rid of the Trump tax cuts

    Not sure why you think anyone still falls for this bullshit

    Other than you
    No one thinks anything is going to change as things stand. But lying about whether Joe Biden would sign a bill to eliminate the Trump tax cuts insults even Sled's intelligence.

    You vote like you want things to get worse. I vote and contribute to candidates who I think would advance the ball.

    I voted for Trump who raised taxes on the rich and lowered mine

    painfully ignorant
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Hmmm. I wonder why we "leftists" won't just pay more voluntarily. Eh, Gasbag?

    I also wonder why you self-professed undertaxed leftards don't voluntarily pay more tax. You should know better than me since I'm not the phucking hypocrite that you are. So, the top 1% of taxable US income earners pay 40% of the federal income tax. In February 2020 let us know what was wrong with the US economy which was generating the highest increase in US middle income wages in decades. Not enough tax revenue to fund public education which sucks? The actual truth is that the "income" of the wealthy doesn't include increases in their investment portfolio. When they die, this "untaxed" wealth is subject to a 40% federal estate tax rate. For some reason, the ultra red state of California doesn't have an estate tax. You should fix that. You suck at this.


    The White House noted that its estimate of the tax rate for the wealthiest households is "much lower" than other groups' estimates of top income tax rates. The administration's takes into account income from unrealized capital gains, which is not typically included in this type of analysis.
    A permanent upper class defined by large, lightly taxed inheritances is perfectly fine with Gasbag.
    How much of other peoples money are you entitled to there fagbag? What's your estimate?
    The dazzler would say a whole bunch of his money but he would only do so at gunpoint. That's the way he rolls.
    My effective federal income tax rate is a lot higher than any estimate of the 400 wealthiest families' effective rate. I'm don't think I should subsidize them more than I already do.
    Noted. But you know that's not going to change, and Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC are no different than any of the republicans that you blame for this problem.
    It's not going to change as long as lower middle class whites from sparsely populated rural districts vote GOP or Manchin.
    That's really dumb, you know. The entire west coast is dominated by democrats, and they can do whatever they want. And as we've already pointed out, raising taxes just to do it isn't the answer. What is it that you want to raise the taxes for? Let's see some solid policy analysis. How much money is being spent on homelessness in Seattle? Should we spend more on that?
    If you want to change the subject to local governance, start a new thread. This is about taxes at the federal level.
    You blamed magatards for not having higher taxes. I pointed out that states can enact taxes, including estate taxes. Feel free to look that up anytime. And you know that innovation by a state can in fact lead to changes at the federal level.