Taliban spiking the football

MikeDamone

2-0 vs world super powers.

I think the USA is now Owen 13 since their back to back world war championships.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/afghanistan-us-urges-citizens-to-leave-immediately-as-taliban-nears-kabul.html

RaceBannon

Saw on Twitter that Biden was able to do what Obama and Trump couldn't do. Get out

Its true. Obama was afraid to be the guy that lost Afghanistan. Trump would have been impeached. Again. For abandoning our allies in Afghanistan

Joe gets a pass. He's not Trump

Nothing else matters

RaceBannon

http://twitter.com/Van_Firth/status/1425854364237897728?s=19

MelloDawg

Sounds like we should send some troops there.

trublue

RaceBannon said:

Saw on Twitter that Biden was able to do what Obama and Trump couldn't do. Get out

Its true. Obama was afraid to be the guy that lost Afghanistan. Trump would have been impeached. Again. For abandoning our allies in Afghanistan

Joe gets a pass. He's not Trump

Nothing else matters

Hell. Obama said Afghanistan was the “real war” and we needed to increase troops there when he ran for office in 2008.

After he was elected, he announced when they would be withdrawn after it took him months to decide how many to add.

trublue

MelloDawg said:

Sounds like we should send some troops there.

Perhaps, sending more of our Humvees to the Taliban to expedite things would be more pleasing to you.

Meanwhile, the Biden Administration is furiously trying to re-establish negotiations with the Taliban.

RaceBannon

Biden is also helped because his opponents aren't massive hypocrites like @HHusky

I'm not going to say we should stay or go depending on who is in office

Trump would want to pull troops and the left would start screaming about the Kurds

Afghanistan was doomed. If they aren't ready after 20 years they never will be

MikeDamone

trublue said:

RaceBannon said:

Saw on Twitter that Biden was able to do what Obama and Trump couldn't do. Get out

Its true. Obama was afraid to be the guy that lost Afghanistan. Trump would have been impeached. Again. For abandoning our allies in Afghanistan

Joe gets a pass. He's not Trump

Nothing else matters

Hell. Obama said Afghanistan was the “real war” and we needed to increase troops there when he ran for office in 2008.

After he was elected, he announced when they would be withdrawn after it took him months to decide how many to add.

I’m old enough to remember Dems saying they were against going into Iraq, but supported going into Afghanistan - “Graveyard of Empires”

trublue

See “Remarks of Senator Obama:
The War We Need to Win”
Washington, DC
August 1, 2007
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2009/11/26/808280/-

RaceBannon

trublue said:

MelloDawg said:

Sounds like we should send some troops there.

Perhaps, sending more of our Humvees to the Taliban to expedite things would be more pleasing to you.

Meanwhile, the Biden Administration is furiously trying to re-establish negotiations with the Taliban.

He's begging them not to take the embassy

Jimmy Carter 2

doogie

trublue said:

See “Remarks of Senator Obama:
The War We Need to Win”
Washington, DC
August 1, 2007
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2009/11/26/808280/-

Obama never said that.

BleachedAnusDawg

RaceBannon said:

Biden is also helped because his opponents aren't massive hypocrites like @HHusky

I'm not going to say we should stay or go depending on who is in office

Trump would want to pull troops and the left would start screaming about the Kurds

Afghanistan was doomed. If they aren't ready after 20 years they never will be

Tribal shithole. Always has been and will be until the end of time.

trublue

A part of Obama and the Democratic Party’s position in 2008 was winning the “real war” in Afghanistan . . .

trublue

doogie said:

trublue said:

See “Remarks of Senator Obama:
The War We Need to Win”
Washington, DC
August 1, 2007
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2009/11/26/808280/-

Obama never said that.

Apparently, you didn’t bother to look at the link. It outlines statements he made as a senator as far back as 2007; in the debates against McCain; his stated foreign policy positions related to Afghanistan and Iraq, etc. during the 2008 campaign.

doogie

A lot of people attribute things to Obama he never said.

I remember watching a video of him not saying the same thing.

RoadDawg55

Why does the US need to care about Afghanistan? Let the Taliban run wild. It was always dumb and a lost cause.

PurpleThrobber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUUk6wVNrY

trublue

doogie said:

A lot of people attribute things to Obama he never said.

I remember watching a video of him not saying the same thing.

Link?

trublue

RoadDawg55 said:

Why does the US need to care about Afghanistan? Let the Taliban run wild. It was always dumb and a lost cause.

We could have/ should have done the same thing a long time ago.

trublue

RoadDawg55 said:

Why does the US need to care about Afghanistan? Let the Taliban run wild. It was always dumb and a lost cause.

I agree. Unfortunately, Obama doubled down on stupid in the 2008 election by calling the Afghanistan battlefield, the “real war” and increased troop deployments there.

MikeDamone

trublue said:

A part of Obama and the Democratic Party’s position in 2008 was winning the “real war” in Afghanistan . . .

I think “good war” was the term being floated around. Not the dumb war in Iraq that Bush had. But the good one in Saudi Arabia Afghanistan where the 9/11 terrorist came from.