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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,539
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    Quite honestly I don't disagree. I voted twice for Bill and as always am not ashamed to say so. I voted for him more than against the other guy for one of the few times. All in all the 90's were a nice addition to the 80's



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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    Actually you can thank Reagan and then Newt although Clinton reluctantly signed the budget bills. Who knew that lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations and slowing government spending was good for the private sector economy.
    That's an old anti-Clinton trope, I'm well acquainted with, but those Adam & Eve arguments are pretty myopic and lame. Give credit where it's due. Clinton raised marginal rates a bit to reduce the debt. So did Bush, Sr., and it cost him re-election. Both Bush, Sr., and Clinton were fiscally responsible deficit hawks. If you can't give him that, you're not being fair.
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    trubluetrublue Member Posts: 3,042
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    I agree with you for the most part. Clinton also was the beneficiary of the dot.com boom that burst after he left office.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.
    It took a Dem Prez with unique charm to get it through, and Bill was that guy. No other Dem or Rep was getting it through back then.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,954
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.
    It took a Dem Prez with unique charm to get it through, and Bill was that guy. No other Dem or Rep was getting it through back then.
    It took no skill. Ted, the Swimmer, Kennedy voted for the Reagan tax cuts because he was scared of the 1980 Republican landslide. He whined about those cuts for the rest of his political career. Republicans controlled Congress in 1996 and they didn't need to be charmed. All Clinton had to do was sign the legislation and forgo a third veto. Since Clinton has campaigned on welfare reform and then nothing about it he was in a political bind and did what the people wanted out of political expediency. There was nothing charming about Clinton unless you like snake oil salesmen.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,908
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    And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.

    ...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.

    Sledog said:

    trublue said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?

    “Hope and Change.”

    Just curious.

    I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.
    He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.
    Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.

    I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.

    Fuck both of those guys.
    Yah but I'd take Palin over SloJoe any day. Could never vote for a commie. I may have without knowing but never knowingly.
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    Sledog said:

    And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.

    ...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.

    Sledog said:

    trublue said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?

    “Hope and Change.”

    Just curious.

    I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.
    He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.
    Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.

    I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.

    Fuck both of those guys.
    Yah but I'd take Palin over SloJoe any day. Could never vote for a commie. I may have without knowing but never knowingly.
    Imagine voting for a real American versus commies playing for the away team.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    "Nothing charming about Clinton." Nothing. Okay.

    Might want to tell that to every major news organization, all the women he fucked, Joe Klein, Chris Matthews, and the American voting public.

    No prying open the mind of a Clinton-hater, no matter how clueless, obtuse or wrong they are. Carry on, WLD.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    You Clinton-haters tried the Commie thing twice, and got your asses handed to you, both times.

    Might want to stop embracing the losers' strategy and smell the coffee instead.

    Populists win elections. See Donald Trump.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,066
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.
    What's really funny is that now the Dems are the party for unending war.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,901
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    "Nothing charming about Clinton." Nothing. Okay.

    Might want to tell that to every major news organization, all the women he fucked, Joe Klein, Chris Matthews, and the American voting public.

    No prying open the mind of a Clinton-hater, no matter how clueless, obtuse or wrong they are. Carry on, WLD.

    Respect for Slick Willie as a cocksman

    Banging prime Gina Gershon. Props.

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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    "Nothing charming about Clinton." Nothing. Okay.

    Might want to tell that to every major news organization, all the women he fucked, Joe Klein, Chris Matthews, and the American voting public.

    No prying open the mind of a Clinton-hater, no matter how clueless, obtuse or wrong they are. Carry on, WLD.

    Respect for Slick Willie as a cocksman

    Banging prime Gina Gershon. Props.

    Guess Gina chose the snake, not the oil.

    Boom!
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    Clinton was a Satan worshipping paedophile employed by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers who engaged in human sacrifice rituals.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    Clinton was a Satan worshipping paedophile employed by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers who engaged in human sacrifice rituals.
    And @WestLinnDuck doesn't think Clinton was charming.

    Ooooooooooh Sick Burn!
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,753
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    Swaye said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.
    What's really funny is that now the Dems are the party for unending war.
    Hillary always wanted to be a man like George Patton. And she's given it her best.
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.

    ...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.

    Sledog said:

    trublue said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?

    “Hope and Change.”

    Just curious.

    I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.
    He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.
    Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.

    I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.

    Fuck both of those guys.
    Still, they were clearly better choices than barry. Barry's position was that his obamacare would save every family $2500 and keep your doctor and that we couldn't drill our way to lower energy prices. Even the snowbilly Palin said "drill baby drill". So barry was dead wrong on our healthcare and energy programs which are two of the largest segments of our economy. I can't think of one competent democrat as far as running a country. Take Steve Jobs who actually ran a meritocracy. But as a dem he supported teacher unions over kids and a unionized federal and state bureaucracy that certainly doesn't promote competency.
    Barry ran on and supported a public option before he got elected and abandoned it. I still support a public option to counter-balance the corrupt fucking blood-sucking private health insurance industry I'm forced to buy from under Obamacare.

    And you're forgetting that Barry kept and expanded many oil leases up and down the coasts of the U.S. that his lunatic green supporters wanted him to cancel. He did what his Wall Street handlers told him to do, and in large part there was little light between he and Mom-Jeans Romney on economic policy. Most importantly, and most conservatively, he didn't jail anyone from Wall Street after the crash, just like the R's wanted.
    Also was against gay marriage
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.

    He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.

    Pathetic.

    How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.
    Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.
    Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.
    Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.

    You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.

    And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.

    You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
    Quite honestly I don't disagree. I voted twice for Bill and as always am not ashamed to say so. I voted for him more than against the other guy for one of the few times. All in all the 90's were a nice addition to the 80's



    I voted for Perot
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,908
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    Get on the boat BidenBros!
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,901
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    Sledog said:


    Get on the boat BidenBros!

    Why not just run a Dunkirk type evac? Certainly there’s shitloads of Florida Cubans with boats.
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