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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,886
    edited July 2021

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:



    doogie said:

    @HHusky is principled and voted for Ronald Reagan and advocates for a socialist utopia and I’m guessing, 👍 legalized shrooms in the workplace

    Yeah, the dazzler aka Mr. Conservative for his mythical Reagan votes. His advocacy of socialism is what he learned getting his pretend MBA. Quoting Hayek as an advocate of massive government interference in the private sector is like quoting Mao as a capitalist advocate.
    I don't advocate socialism, madam. I do advocate that you learn what it is.
    What DO you economically advocate for Dazzler? We are waiting.


    I like adequately regulated capitalism myself, plus a social safety net. Capitalism will still produce a lot of wealth though, and wealthy people should pay more in than we do, and not merely to pay for the stuff government does, but also as a redistribution mechanism in an age of increasing wealth inequality.

    Now one of you Einsteins will say that I can volunteer to pay more, as some sort of exercise in morality. Because you're not serious people.
    We'll ignore that if you had a problem with wealth inequality you could be doing something about it yourself voluntarily
    Such as?
    Don't worry! We said we'd ignore it for you. Charity and all. I want to hear about your economics plan.

    "I'd love to hear more. What do you mean by "adequately regulated capitalism, plus a social safety net."

    I'd also love to know what level of wealth inequality is acceptable in a society and how you ensure that redistribution goes to those intended and not to the redistributers themselves."

    This is your chance! We are all waiting to hear what you have to say! I can't imagine why it's so hard to get you to tell us what you think.
    I've heard of charity. We give to charity. I guess I'm already setting the example you mentioned then.

    Regulated capitalism has been our system for some time. I'm not a revolutionary, and I like our system; the arguments will be over the details. I like the fact we provide some social safety net; the arguments will be over the details.

    It is desirable that most of us feel we have a stake in the economy and that the Republic isn't controlled by massive concentrations of wealth. I'm far less concerned about the occasional corrupt redistributor than I am about the enormous concentrations of dynastic wealth itself. The latter threaten the continued existence of the Republic much more than the former.



    I'm asking for Details here! Please do elaborate. Like I said, this is your chance, don't disappoint.

    As to the second point, the vast majority of American wealth is 1st generation(Gates, Bezos, Musk to name a few) and very few families make it beyond 3 generations of inherited wealth. There's a few notables no doubt but for the three you can name there's thousands more that have foundered.

    Political corruption on the other hand, is this even really a conversation we are having? Isn't this one of the few things generally agreed upon by both the left and the right of this bored? I could wax on about lobbying, political insider trading, the swamp's revolving doors etc. but do I need to? By all means, I will if we disagree but I thought money in politics WAS a problem.
    Boomers are very fortunate in that the mid-20th Century was a uniquely favorable period for self-made wealth. What the 40s 50s 60s and 70s looked like has not been the norm for industrial capitalism and things have been reverting back to something more typical and less egalitarian for decades.
  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.

    I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.

    Is he still alive?
  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    Take the L, Counselor.

    You’re a fucking hack.

    Barack Obama - the more Conservative alternative.

    Good one . . .
  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    edited July 2021
    No need to pile on . . . The Dazzler has been bedazzled . . .
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    I could hear the Dazzler Gurgle from Greater Idaho!
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    SFGbob said:

    Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.

    Now try listing countries that are actually socialist/communist. Lou Dobbs!!!!
    Wait a minute now… I specifically remember you and I having a discussion about nationalized healthcare and I brought up these European (and Canada)countries that are absolutely capitalist but have strong social safety nets and they were “socialist” for that discussion. So what are they?
    Is $6 trillion not a strong enough net?

    It’s a cautionary tale to those with synapses that actually fire.

    All around the country, millions of jobs can’t be filled because of Socialism.


    In the words of the late, grate @TheKobeStopper, you’re not very good at this.

  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2021
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:



    doogie said:

    @HHusky is principled and voted for Ronald Reagan and advocates for a socialist utopia and I’m guessing, 👍 legalized shrooms in the workplace

    Yeah, the dazzler aka Mr. Conservative for his mythical Reagan votes. His advocacy of socialism is what he learned getting his pretend MBA. Quoting Hayek as an advocate of massive government interference in the private sector is like quoting Mao as a capitalist advocate.
    I don't advocate socialism, madam. I do advocate that you learn what it is.
    What DO you economically advocate for Dazzler? We are waiting.


    I like adequately regulated capitalism myself, plus a social safety net. Capitalism will still produce a lot of wealth though, and wealthy people should pay more in than we do, and not merely to pay for the stuff government does, but also as a redistribution mechanism in an age of increasing wealth inequality.

    Now one of you Einsteins will say that I can volunteer to pay more, as some sort of exercise in morality. Because you're not serious people.
    We'll ignore that if you had a problem with wealth inequality you could be doing something about it yourself voluntarily
    Such as?
    Don't worry! We said we'd ignore it for you. Charity and all. I want to hear about your economics plan.

    "I'd love to hear more. What do you mean by "adequately regulated capitalism, plus a social safety net."

    I'd also love to know what level of wealth inequality is acceptable in a society and how you ensure that redistribution goes to those intended and not to the redistributers themselves."

    This is your chance! We are all waiting to hear what you have to say! I can't imagine why it's so hard to get you to tell us what you think.
    I've heard of charity. We give to charity. I guess I'm already setting the example you mentioned then.

    Regulated capitalism has been our system for some time. I'm not a revolutionary, and I like our system; the arguments will be over the details. I like the fact we provide some social safety net; the arguments will be over the details.

    It is desirable that most of us feel we have a stake in the economy and that the Republic isn't controlled by massive concentrations of wealth. I'm far less concerned about the occasional corrupt redistributor than I am about the enormous concentrations of dynastic wealth itself. The latter threaten the continued existence of the Republic much more than the former.



    I'm asking for Details here! Please do elaborate. Like I said, this is your chance, don't disappoint.

    As to the second point, the vast majority of American wealth is 1st generation(Gates, Bezos, Musk to name a few) and very few families make it beyond 3 generations of inherited wealth. There's a few notables no doubt but for the three you can name there's thousands more that have foundered.

    Political corruption on the other hand, is this even really a conversation we are having? Isn't this one of the few things generally agreed upon by both the left and the right of this bored? I could wax on about lobbying, political insider trading, the swamp's revolving doors etc. but do I need to? By all means, I will if we disagree but I thought money in politics WAS a problem.
    Boomers are very fortunate in that the mid-20th Century was a uniquely favorable period for self-made wealth. What the 40s 50s 60s and 70s looked like has not been the norm for industrial capitalism and things have been reverting back to something more typical and less egalitarian for decades.
    JFC. those damn 40 years…..that continue today as long as the leftists you worship get out of they way. And why do you leave out the decades that were extremely prosperous before 1940. Fucking idiot. Your really should kill yourself. Addition by subtraction
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:



    doogie said:

    @HHusky is principled and voted for Ronald Reagan and advocates for a socialist utopia and I’m guessing, 👍 legalized shrooms in the workplace

    Yeah, the dazzler aka Mr. Conservative for his mythical Reagan votes. His advocacy of socialism is what he learned getting his pretend MBA. Quoting Hayek as an advocate of massive government interference in the private sector is like quoting Mao as a capitalist advocate.
    I don't advocate socialism, madam. I do advocate that you learn what it is.
    What DO you economically advocate for Dazzler? We are waiting.


    I like adequately regulated capitalism myself, plus a social safety net. Capitalism will still produce a lot of wealth though, and wealthy people should pay more in than we do, and not merely to pay for the stuff government does, but also as a redistribution mechanism in an age of increasing wealth inequality.

    Now one of you Einsteins will say that I can volunteer to pay more, as some sort of exercise in morality. Because you're not serious people.
    We'll ignore that if you had a problem with wealth inequality you could be doing something about it yourself voluntarily
    Such as?
    Don't worry! We said we'd ignore it for you. Charity and all. I want to hear about your economics plan.

    "I'd love to hear more. What do you mean by "adequately regulated capitalism, plus a social safety net."

    I'd also love to know what level of wealth inequality is acceptable in a society and how you ensure that redistribution goes to those intended and not to the redistributers themselves."

    This is your chance! We are all waiting to hear what you have to say! I can't imagine why it's so hard to get you to tell us what you think.
    I've heard of charity. We give to charity. I guess I'm already setting the example you mentioned then.

    Regulated capitalism has been our system for some time. I'm not a revolutionary, and I like our system; the arguments will be over the details. I like the fact we provide some social safety net; the arguments will be over the details.

    It is desirable that most of us feel we have a stake in the economy and that the Republic isn't controlled by massive concentrations of wealth. I'm far less concerned about the occasional corrupt redistributor than I am about the enormous concentrations of dynastic wealth itself. The latter threaten the continued existence of the Republic much more than the former.



    I'm asking for Details here! Please do elaborate. Like I said, this is your chance, don't disappoint.

    As to the second point, the vast majority of American wealth is 1st generation(Gates, Bezos, Musk to name a few) and very few families make it beyond 3 generations of inherited wealth. There's a few notables no doubt but for the three you can name there's thousands more that have foundered.

    Political corruption on the other hand, is this even really a conversation we are having? Isn't this one of the few things generally agreed upon by both the left and the right of this bored? I could wax on about lobbying, political insider trading, the swamp's revolving doors etc. but do I need to? By all means, I will if we disagree but I thought money in politics WAS a problem.
    Boomers are very fortunate in that the mid-20th Century was a uniquely favorable period for self-made wealth. What the 40s 50s 60s and 70s looked like has not been the norm for industrial capitalism and things have been reverting back to something more typical and less egalitarian for decades.
    JFC. those damn 40 years…..that continue today as long as the leftists you worship get out of they way.
    Dazzler credits the economic boom of that era to high tax rates.
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,202
    Capitalism - Winners get trophies

    Socialism - There are no winners but everyone gets a juice box.

    Get in line for your juice box, Kobe
  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,670
    Ok Dazzler, how much "concentrations of wealth" is too much?
    What is the threshhold to to qualify for too much?
    Who should decide what is enough and what isn’t?
    How much do you donate, beyond taxes, to make it fair?
    Since you can run your mouth about it, give us real numbers, not more of your double speak and deflection.
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,202
    Blu82 said:

    Ok Dazzler, how much "concentrations of wealth" is too much?
    What is the threshhold to to qualify for too much?
    Who should decide what is enough and what isn’t?
    How much do you donate, beyond taxes, to make it fair?
    Since you can run your mouth about it, give us real numbers, not more of your double speak and deflection.

    :Crickets:
  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,670
    thechatch said:

    Blu82 said:

    Ok Dazzler, how much "concentrations of wealth" is too much?
    What is the threshhold to to qualify for too much?
    Who should decide what is enough and what isn’t?
    How much do you donate, beyond taxes, to make it fair?
    Since you can run your mouth about it, give us real numbers, not more of your double speak and deflection.

    :Crickets:
    Of course.
    Feel free to chase Dazzler with this.
    I have irregular service.
    He needs to ănswer the questions.
    He won't. He's a typical Leftist coward.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:



    doogie said:

    @HHusky is principled and voted for Ronald Reagan and advocates for a socialist utopia and I’m guessing, 👍 legalized shrooms in the workplace

    Yeah, the dazzler aka Mr. Conservative for his mythical Reagan votes. His advocacy of socialism is what he learned getting his pretend MBA. Quoting Hayek as an advocate of massive government interference in the private sector is like quoting Mao as a capitalist advocate.
    I don't advocate socialism, madam. I do advocate that you learn what it is.
    What DO you economically advocate for Dazzler? We are waiting.


    I like adequately regulated capitalism myself, plus a social safety net. Capitalism will still produce a lot of wealth though, and wealthy people should pay more in than we do, and not merely to pay for the stuff government does, but also as a redistribution mechanism in an age of increasing wealth inequality.

    Now one of you Einsteins will say that I can volunteer to pay more, as some sort of exercise in morality. Because you're not serious people.
    Can you give examples of what you consider good regulations of capitalism?

    Also, what do you consider a social safety net?

    How do you define paying more in taxes by the rich?

    You note (in effect) that paying more in taxes shouldn’t be a means to a blank check to the government to spend more …

    BTW this is something that we should be significantly aligned on as a country is holding our governmental entities accountable and not allowing them to strong arm new taxes without a thorough review of what is and isn’t needed with existing spend

    What do you consider the desired outcome of wealth redistribution? What are the goals? Does a line need to be walked to ensure that we’re requiring contributions to society in exchange for redistribution?

    And what do you consider wealth to be? What/Where is the cutoff? Do you consider the individual that retires at 55 with $5-10M of assets for retirement to be rich and subject to wealth redistribution?
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,202
    But but but Cuba has a high literacy rate!

    Lol
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    But but but Cuba has a high literacy rate!

    Lol

    Best Healthcare in the world
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2021

    Swaye said:

    This is the thread to refer back to if you ever want to see HHusky fail miserably to act the part of the intellectual. No factual foundation for his theories. It's all about the feels. Game. Set. Match.

    “It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it" - Mark Twain

    This is why I usually don't argue policy positions I don't fully understand. I recognize my limitations. Others, not so much.

    This is why you guys need to let people speak up more instead of piling on. It's easy when all you do is take pithy pot shots at other people's positions. Most of their positions are built on nice sounding bullshit and wishes so let them have the soapbox and lay out their grand visions.
    But baby fur seal clubbing is easy!
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,026
    edited July 2021
    It's threads like this that cause me to bask in the glow of creating "The Dazzler'.

    Will forego royalty payments on these six pages. The pound of flesh has already been extracted in the pummeling.

  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    trublue said:

    TKS: The pigs taking their share first would be worthless Pieces of Crap like Bernie Sanders and AOC.

    It’s a total missed opportunity for Biden to denounce communism.
    Biden doesn't want to lose the Commie vote, which is 2/3 of the Democrat party.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    trublue said:

    RoadTrip said:

    Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.

    You're too stupid to understand, in many cases, these countries are more capitalist than the CSA today.
    The grand majority of the Left in the US would prefer European style “socialism.” Are you against that?
    If people want rationed care, cool. Leave an option for people who don’t want to pay into it and can pay as they go or go through some type of insurance system. I believe Switzerland has viable options.

    There are enough Government programs and they simply have not worked well (they’re Ponzi Schemes with insatiable appetites for more money) and are inefficient.

    They’re very good at creating gigantic bureaucracies . . . Not very good at actual solutions.

    A Public Option would be great.

    Why do Democrats keep selling it on the Campaign Trail, then dropping it like a rock when they take office?

    Is it the suitcases full of cash from Wall Street and the Insurance industry that's changing their mind, over and over and over?
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,545 Standard Supporter
    trublue said:

    Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.

    I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.

    Is he still alive?

    Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    trublue said:

    Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.

    I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.

    Is he still alive?

    Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.
    Dazzler is pissed at his dad for living too long and spending what he believed to be his money.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    trublue said:

    Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.

    I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.

    Is he still alive?

    Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.
    Dazzler is pissed at his dad for living too long and spending what he believed to be his money.
    I have a felling dad was an attorney. The Dazzler not so much.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member Posts: 8,145

    Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.

    All the US needs to do is find a benevolent world hegemon to subsidize our own defense and keep peace in the world and boom! Social safety nets paid for.

    Onto what we can learn from Europe Per your request:

    Germany – Literally paying for the rest of the EU’s socialism at the expense of the German Taxpayer. Lulz

    Sweden – Has moved away from “social democracy” and liberalized markets after their own “great society” failures. Fastest growing income inequality in Europe btw. Also, every household has a gun. I’ll take that part.

    Netherlands – One of the highest and most progressive tax rates. One of the MOST unequal societies on the face of the Earth. Just another of the 1,000+ examples of the failure of progressivism to “redistribute” wealth and make “equality”.

    Denmark – Literally has no minimum wage. Ok!

    Norway – Essentially a Northern member of the United Arab Emirates. Ranked #7 for ease of business as well.

    Austria – Home to the Austrian school of Economics. I’m completely on board with taking Hayek’s advice on how to manage our economy. Are you?

    Canada – A healthcare system that literally doesn’t function without the relief valve of their southern neighbor’s healthcare system being within driving distance. Don’t believe me? Why is the US one of the top medical tourism destinations in the World? I’ll give you a hint what the primary driver of that is.

    France – Anemic growth, public unions that light people on fire over benefits, alternating between providing and needing subsidized by other EU members. We too could have all of this and maintain a super low economic mobility score of a class society!

    Switzerland – Also lots of guns, also literally the black bank of the world. I guess the US should just become the world’s money launderer to subsidize health care?

    Pretty much all “universal healthcare” is “rationed healthcare” where the government decides who gets scarce resources. This means lines and bureaucratic death panels unless of course, you are well connected or a government official. We all know how meritorious government employment and promotion is.

    School choice is pretty much the singular highest correlated variable in all of the European countries that outperform the US in education. Sounds good!

    All of Europe was suffering from terrible economic growth BEFORE the pandemic and we were looking at the potential 2nd death of the European Union, negative interest rates, bailouts, etc. during a global growth period. The European Model!
    One might say the world wanted Trump out. I wonder why.