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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,401 Standard Supporter

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    There is no American alive who participated in slavery.

    There is no American alive who was a slave.

    Fuck off.

    And ya’ll still out here defending them.
    Better talk to the gal you voted for who comes from big time slavers. Seems you are the one supporting and empowering slavers.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,759 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2021

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    There is no American alive who participated in slavery.

    There is no American alive who was a slave.

    Fuck off.

    And ya’ll still out here defending them.
    Go ahead and link that, bud.

    I've never defended slavery once in my fucking life, you degenerate. It happened. Move on. There's only one life to live. Make it your best.

    Or watch it pass you by whining about things of which you had no control hundreds of years ago.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068
    The only test I ever got a B on in high school was administered by a black woman





    She waa super legit and I didn't study for it but still
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    You guys aren’t defending slavery. You’re just saying American slave owners weren’t racist and it was really Africa’s fault. The context of why something happens matters. When it’s white people.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,401 Standard Supporter

    You guys aren’t defending slavery. You’re just saying American slave owners weren’t racist and it was really Africa’s fault. The context of why something happens matters. When it’s white people.

    Yeah Africans selling Africans didn't matter right?
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited May 2021

    You guys aren’t defending slavery. You’re just saying American slave owners weren’t racist and it was really Africa’s fault. The context of why something happens matters. When it’s white people.

    You are obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago and you want to blame....some random strangers on a message board. Sure. You know what? Doctors used to work on cadavers and then go deliver babies. Someone said they should wash their hands, but they were like nah fuck it. Guess what happened? We should hold all doctors accountable!
    The catholic church tortured and murdered people, basically enslaved the entire continent of South America. We gotta do something about that too. What other shit you want to bring up that happened that we can't do anything about, but you seem to have found who's guilty?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,759 Standard Supporter

    You guys aren’t defending slavery. You’re just saying American slave owners weren’t racist and it was really Africa’s fault. The context of why something happens matters. When it’s white people.

    Nobody said that, groupthinker.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,917
    Sledog said:

    You guys aren’t defending slavery. You’re just saying American slave owners weren’t racist and it was really Africa’s fault. The context of why something happens matters. When it’s white people.

    Yeah Africans selling Africans didn't matter right?
    No doubt Kobe blames systemic white racism for that.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    I’d recommend you do a little review of history when it comes to owning human beings and all the variations that looked like.

    Indentured servitude was real and ugly but will never hit the current mainstream talking points as readily as slavery. This isn’t trying to claim that one was “better” than the other ... both were terrible and fortunately they’ve both been long rooted out of American society.

    Long winded way of saying that if you look back on activities 160+ years ago through the lease of today your going to be missing context. To understand the issues at the time you have to understand why it was what it was at that point. You have to be willing to ask yourself why slavery existed? You have to be willing to ask yourself why indentured servitude existed well over 200+ years ago.

    The world then was far different than it is today. Thankfully we continue to evolve and have evolved significantly. Think about it this way ... a child born at the end of the Civil War could have been a great grandchild born in the 1930s ... who is a great grandparent to a child born today. Let’s hope that by the time that child born today becomes a great grandparent the world has continued to significantly evolve for the better.
    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?
    Compare the life expectancy of African slaves in the Caribbean and South America to the US. I'm not sugar coating slavery in the United States, it was an awful and brutal dehumanizing institution but in comparison to the treatment of slaves in South America it wasn't anywhere near as bad.
    Can we talk about the 5000 freed black slaves who saved up and bought their own African slaves and put them to work in the South?

    Never. Do not breathe a word of it.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    It's not an excuse per se. It's an explanation that contrary to the lie of the 1619 Project that the US was not founded on slavery and that is definitely not a uniquely American institution. It's also a lie that in 2021 that white systemic racism has anything to do with problems in the black community. It's racists like you that apparently don't think that blacks can be parents. Black illegitimacy is something that blacks are going to have to confront. Fixing the inner city black school systems can only be done by providing black parents with vouchers and by passing the teacher unions. Of course, the Slobberer isn't interested in results, just black votes for commies. The Slobberer supports the commie BLM movement which has led to hundreds more dead blacks. Congrats for rooting playing for the away team.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    You should care about what Africa did. Africans weren’t enslaved because they were black, they were enslaved because they were available. The south took advantage of that to fill their labor shortage. For several decades in colonial America free Africans weren’t treated as inferior and had the same social and economic status as other people in the colonies. The racialization of Africans, free and enslaved started in the late 1600’s
    I’m obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,917
    edited May 2021

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    I’d recommend you do a little review of history when it comes to owning human beings and all the variations that looked like.

    Indentured servitude was real and ugly but will never hit the current mainstream talking points as readily as slavery. This isn’t trying to claim that one was “better” than the other ... both were terrible and fortunately they’ve both been long rooted out of American society.

    Long winded way of saying that if you look back on activities 160+ years ago through the lease of today your going to be missing context. To understand the issues at the time you have to understand why it was what it was at that point. You have to be willing to ask yourself why slavery existed? You have to be willing to ask yourself why indentured servitude existed well over 200+ years ago.

    The world then was far different than it is today. Thankfully we continue to evolve and have evolved significantly. Think about it this way ... a child born at the end of the Civil War could have been a great grandchild born in the 1930s ... who is a great grandparent to a child born today. Let’s hope that by the time that child born today becomes a great grandparent the world has continued to significantly evolve for the better.
    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?
    Compare the life expectancy of African slaves in the Caribbean and South America to the US. I'm not sugar coating slavery in the United States, it was an awful and brutal dehumanizing institution but in comparison to the treatment of slaves in South America it wasn't anywhere near as bad.
    Can we talk about the 5000 freed black slaves who saved up and bought their own African slaves and put them to work in the South?

    Never. Do not breathe a word of it.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    It's not an excuse per se. It's an explanation that contrary to the lie of the 1619 Project that the US was not founded on slavery and that is definitely not a uniquely American institution. It's also a lie that in 2021 that white systemic racism has anything to do with problems in the black community. It's racists like you that apparently don't think that blacks can be parents. Black illegitimacy is something that blacks are going to have to confront. Fixing the inner city black school systems can only be done by providing black parents with vouchers and by passing the teacher unions. Of course, the Slobberer isn't interested in results, just black votes for commies. The Slobberer supports the commie BLM movement which has led to hundreds more dead blacks. Congrats for rooting playing for the away team.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    You should care about what Africa did. Africans weren’t enslaved because they were black, they were enslaved because they were available. The south took advantage of that to fill their labor shortage. For several decades in colonial America free Africans weren’t treated as inferior and had the same social and economic status as other people in the colonies. The racialization of Africans, free and enslaved started in the late 1600’s
    I’m obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago.
    Why do you not care about slavery that's happening right now Fraud? Why did you lie and claim you were taught that the Civil War was over states rights?
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,937

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    I’d recommend you do a little review of history when it comes to owning human beings and all the variations that looked like.

    Indentured servitude was real and ugly but will never hit the current mainstream talking points as readily as slavery. This isn’t trying to claim that one was “better” than the other ... both were terrible and fortunately they’ve both been long rooted out of American society.

    Long winded way of saying that if you look back on activities 160+ years ago through the lease of today your going to be missing context. To understand the issues at the time you have to understand why it was what it was at that point. You have to be willing to ask yourself why slavery existed? You have to be willing to ask yourself why indentured servitude existed well over 200+ years ago.

    The world then was far different than it is today. Thankfully we continue to evolve and have evolved significantly. Think about it this way ... a child born at the end of the Civil War could have been a great grandchild born in the 1930s ... who is a great grandparent to a child born today. Let’s hope that by the time that child born today becomes a great grandparent the world has continued to significantly evolve for the better.
    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?
    Compare the life expectancy of African slaves in the Caribbean and South America to the US. I'm not sugar coating slavery in the United States, it was an awful and brutal dehumanizing institution but in comparison to the treatment of slaves in South America it wasn't anywhere near as bad.
    Can we talk about the 5000 freed black slaves who saved up and bought their own African slaves and put them to work in the South?

    Never. Do not breathe a word of it.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    It's not an excuse per se. It's an explanation that contrary to the lie of the 1619 Project that the US was not founded on slavery and that is definitely not a uniquely American institution. It's also a lie that in 2021 that white systemic racism has anything to do with problems in the black community. It's racists like you that apparently don't think that blacks can be parents. Black illegitimacy is something that blacks are going to have to confront. Fixing the inner city black school systems can only be done by providing black parents with vouchers and by passing the teacher unions. Of course, the Slobberer isn't interested in results, just black votes for commies. The Slobberer supports the commie BLM movement which has led to hundreds more dead blacks. Congrats for rooting playing for the away team.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    You should care about what Africa did. Africans weren’t enslaved because they were black, they were enslaved because they were available. The south took advantage of that to fill their labor shortage. For several decades in colonial America free Africans weren’t treated as inferior and had the same social and economic status as other people in the colonies. The racialization of Africans, free and enslaved started in the late 1600’s
    I’m obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago.
    So you quote a bunch of shit thinking it makes a point when all it does is make you look more like an idiot ...

    But at some point you’ll go back to calling people fascists when you run out of ways to play spin the strawman
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    I’d recommend you do a little review of history when it comes to owning human beings and all the variations that looked like.

    Indentured servitude was real and ugly but will never hit the current mainstream talking points as readily as slavery. This isn’t trying to claim that one was “better” than the other ... both were terrible and fortunately they’ve both been long rooted out of American society.

    Long winded way of saying that if you look back on activities 160+ years ago through the lease of today your going to be missing context. To understand the issues at the time you have to understand why it was what it was at that point. You have to be willing to ask yourself why slavery existed? You have to be willing to ask yourself why indentured servitude existed well over 200+ years ago.

    The world then was far different than it is today. Thankfully we continue to evolve and have evolved significantly. Think about it this way ... a child born at the end of the Civil War could have been a great grandchild born in the 1930s ... who is a great grandparent to a child born today. Let’s hope that by the time that child born today becomes a great grandparent the world has continued to significantly evolve for the better.
    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    doogie said:

    I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

    I had to learn it on the Street.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    There's slavery that exists in the world today. Do you ever hear Kobe talking about fighting that evil? Much easier to rail against the evils of slavery in the United States that ended over 150 years ago, then to do anything about the slavery that's going on right now in Africa.

    And why is it that slavery in the US, which involved only a tiny fraction of the African slave trade, is the only historical example of slavery the left ever wants to talk about? Do you ever hear them talk about the slavery in the Muslim world that involved way more black slaves than ever came to the US.
    Or the fact that 80+ percent of African slaves went to South America, Central America and the Caribbean.

    Why isn't Uruguay paying reparations?
    Compare the life expectancy of African slaves in the Caribbean and South America to the US. I'm not sugar coating slavery in the United States, it was an awful and brutal dehumanizing institution but in comparison to the treatment of slaves in South America it wasn't anywhere near as bad.
    Can we talk about the 5000 freed black slaves who saved up and bought their own African slaves and put them to work in the South?

    Never. Do not breathe a word of it.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    It's not an excuse per se. It's an explanation that contrary to the lie of the 1619 Project that the US was not founded on slavery and that is definitely not a uniquely American institution. It's also a lie that in 2021 that white systemic racism has anything to do with problems in the black community. It's racists like you that apparently don't think that blacks can be parents. Black illegitimacy is something that blacks are going to have to confront. Fixing the inner city black school systems can only be done by providing black parents with vouchers and by passing the teacher unions. Of course, the Slobberer isn't interested in results, just black votes for commies. The Slobberer supports the commie BLM movement which has led to hundreds more dead blacks. Congrats for rooting playing for the away team.

    Tequilla said:

    I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

    You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

    To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

    The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

    Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

    For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

    We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

    One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

    I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).
    Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

    I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

    It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

    Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.
    Oh, this shit.

    I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

    Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.
    You should care about what Africa did. Africans weren’t enslaved because they were black, they were enslaved because they were available. The south took advantage of that to fill their labor shortage. For several decades in colonial America free Africans weren’t treated as inferior and had the same social and economic status as other people in the colonies. The racialization of Africans, free and enslaved started in the late 1600’s
    I’m obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago.
    The fact that you took the time to copy this makes me hate you on principle
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    I did quote a bunch of shit, that part is definitely true.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,985 Standard Supporter
    "I’m obsessed with something that happened hundreds of years ago."

    Nope. You're obsessed with lying about it in order to perpetuate further lies and try to exploit the suffering of persons long dead for personal gain.

    Which makes you a disgusting, exploitative asshole.
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