Kobe claims he was taught the following in school

RoadDawg55

When I was young, we were taught the Indians and Pilgrams had a nice meal and we did aren’t projects relating to it.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

I didn't know non-white folks had slaves until college

TheKobeStopper

MikeDamone said:

I was taught the food pyramid was the healthiest way to eat. And an ice age was imminent. Also, the world would be out of oil by 1990 and there would be a mass starvation event. However, I was never taught the civil war was about states rights.

This is just the point I originally made, that we get taught things that aren’t true. Bob’s fixation with the specifics of what exactly was taught, predictably, misses the point.

TheKobeStopper

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

TurdBomber

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

Tequilla

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

I’d recommend you do a little review of history when it comes to owning human beings and all the variations that looked like.

Indentured servitude was real and ugly but will never hit the current mainstream talking points as readily as slavery. This isn’t trying to claim that one was “better” than the other ... both were terrible and fortunately they’ve both been long rooted out of American society.

Long winded way of saying that if you look back on activities 160+ years ago through the lease of today your going to be missing context. To understand the issues at the time you have to understand why it was what it was at that point. You have to be willing to ask yourself why slavery existed? You have to be willing to ask yourself why indentured servitude existed well over 200+ years ago.

The world then was far different than it is today. Thankfully we continue to evolve and have evolved significantly. Think about it this way ... a child born at the end of the Civil War could have been a great grandchild born in the 1930s ... who is a great grandparent to a child born today. Let’s hope that by the time that child born today becomes a great grandparent the world has continued to significantly evolve for the better.

TheKobeStopper

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

What on earth are you talking about?

doogie

I was never taught in school that our current Vice President acquired tremendous family wealth by being an actual fucking Slave Trader.

I had to learn it on the Street.

SFGbob

TheKobeStopper said:

MikeDamone said:

I was taught the food pyramid was the healthiest way to eat. And an ice age was imminent. Also, the world would be out of oil by 1990 and there would be a mass starvation event. However, I was never taught the civil war was about states rights.

This is just the point I originally made, that we get taught things that aren’t true. Bob’s fixation with the specifics of what exactly was taught, predictably, misses the point.

Translation: I talked out my ass and was called on it, after initially trying to support my bullshit claims with some links that didn't support my bullshit claims, I now want to change the subject and talk about how in general we're taught things that aren't true and not about the "specifics" that I brought up.

HuskyJW

RoadDawg55 said:

When I was young, we were taught the Indians and Pilgrams had a nice meal and we did aren’t projects relating to it.

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My turkey crown made from orange and brown construction paper is still talked about