Or we could spend 80 billion so far on a train to nowhere
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WestlinnDuck said:
What support for the airlines - pre chicomGoduckies said:
My reason for support is that not everyone likes to fly and if you took away the support for airlines from the feds they would fail too.SFGbob said:
Why? It's a fucking boondoggle that wouldn't survive without Federal subsidies. Train travel is slow and unreliable. If they market doesn't support it why should the government?Goduckies said:
I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupidtrublue said:Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”
OMG
Insanity prevails . . .
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They pay some, but no billions and billions are spent every year on it. And then add essential sir service and it is way more than rail gets
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Now I would be happy to have Amtrak looked at there are major issues with the organization due to the unions... Chicago yard puts out trains that are a mess sometimes. I would prefer a public private partnership.
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You prefer rail to flying?
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I do both.... if I need to be in a hurry I fly but if not I take the traintrublue said:You prefer rail to flying?
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There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.
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Phoenix to tucson maybe. Just flat desert.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.
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La to Vegas makes sense too... Texas as well...
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By air is always so nice for travel - crammed into an aluminum tube with a big fat person next to you that hasn't bathed in 3 days. Love it
Train stations are always in the nicer parts of towns, when your train gets in at 2 AM after a 16 hour delay, it is fun trying to find a cab or an Uber driver that speaks Engrish.
So when I travel I always take the Bus. Love the smell of piss and farts - that is just trying to get into the bus station.
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What year did you graduate from West Linn?WestlinnDuck said:
When I was 17 our high school Spanish club went to Mexico for a month at a Spanish school for US students. Took Greyhound to Mexico. What a cluster phuck. First night bunch of drunk guys in the back that got dropped off in the middle of nowhere at about 3 AM. Our high school teacher after a week down in Saltillo got threatened by his wife with divorce if he didn't come home. After consultation with the parents, they decided to leave me in charge of six other teenagers. So, I led our intrepid squad after the four weeks, back to Portland from Saltillo, Mexico via bus. You think that sh*t would happen today. I hate Greyhound.trublue said:Highly unionized employees . . . Had to bust up a poker game for a few minutes to have the Porter get sheets for my bed. He was irate cuz it was supposed to have been done by another employee in LA.
Simply, the trip through hell.
I can’t imagine taking coach for 30 hours.
Only a slight upgrade from Greyhound.
This was over 35 years ago . . .
One and done.
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I’d love a HS rail system that runs I-5 and I-90, but how feasible is it?
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10 or 20 trillion feasible. The left needs there cut which is 90%.thechatch said:I’d love a HS rail system that runs I-5 and I-90, but how feasible is it?
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If you didn't get the right away and lay the rail in the 1800s forget it. That's problem 1 with the California HSR. Nobody wants it running through their hood. That's why they have Bakersfield to Fresno or whatever. NOGAF
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Few actual humans in Bakerfield or Fresno.RaceBannon said:If you didn't get the right away and lay the rail in the 1800s forget it. That's problem 1 with the California HSR. Nobody wants it running through their hood. That's why they have Bakersfield to Fresno or whatever. NOGAF
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I get it. How much land adjacent to I-5 infringes on private property to the extent that use comp/eminent domain isn’t a workable path forward? I have very little knowledge in this realm, tbh.RaceBannon said:If you didn't get the right away and lay the rail in the 1800s forget it. That's problem 1 with the California HSR. Nobody wants it running through their hood. That's why they have Bakersfield to Fresno or whatever. NOGAF
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Actually graduated from Aloha High School in 1972. We had a gun range at school and kids took their 22 match rifles to school on the bus. Pheasants were still in the valley and kids brought their shotguns to school in their trunks and then off to the fields after school. Good times.longduckdong said:
What year did you graduate from West Linn?WestlinnDuck said:
When I was 17 our high school Spanish club went to Mexico for a month at a Spanish school for US students. Took Greyhound to Mexico. What a cluster phuck. First night bunch of drunk guys in the back that got dropped off in the middle of nowhere at about 3 AM. Our high school teacher after a week down in Saltillo got threatened by his wife with divorce if he didn't come home. After consultation with the parents, they decided to leave me in charge of six other teenagers. So, I led our intrepid squad after the four weeks, back to Portland from Saltillo, Mexico via bus. You think that sh*t would happen today. I hate Greyhound.trublue said:Highly unionized employees . . . Had to bust up a poker game for a few minutes to have the Porter get sheets for my bed. He was irate cuz it was supposed to have been done by another employee in LA.
Simply, the trip through hell.
I can’t imagine taking coach for 30 hours.
Only a slight upgrade from Greyhound.
This was over 35 years ago . . .
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They sent it over to the 99 route to hit Bakersfield and Fresno on purpose. They wanted to make those areas commuteable
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So I take the train down to Bakersfield from Fresno because I have work down there for the day. I get into Bakersfield and I have no car, so I have to rent a car when I get there. Now why wouldn't I just drive there in the first place? The "high speed" train in California is the biggest public works boondoggle ever. It was never going to be "high" speed, and nobody will ride it. They now have billions in cost overruns and they haven't even started construction on the most difficult sections. They are building now in areas that are flat and straight. There is no way in hell that train ever gets built but plenty of connected construction companies will get very wealthy "working" on it.RaceBannon said:If you didn't get the right away and lay the rail in the 1800s forget it. That's problem 1 with the California HSR. Nobody wants it running through their hood. That's why they have Bakersfield to Fresno or whatever. NOGAF
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1 modified bridge across Lake Washington has been under construction for 5 years and isn't even close to being done, if that gives you any idea.thechatch said:I’d love a HS rail system that runs I-5 and I-90, but how feasible is it?
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It's a politicians dreamSFGbob said:
So I take the train down to Bakersfield from Fresno because I have work down there for the day. I get into Bakersfield and I have no car, so I have to rent a car when I get there. Now why wouldn't I just drive there in the first place? The "high speed" train in California is the biggest public works boondoggle ever. It was never going to be "high" speed, and nobody will ride it. They now have billions in cost overruns and they haven't even started construction on the most difficult sections. They are building now in areas that are flat and straight. There is no way in hell that train ever gets built but plenty of connected construction companies will get very wealthy "working" on it.RaceBannon said:If you didn't get the right away and lay the rail in the 1800s forget it. That's problem 1 with the California HSR. Nobody wants it running through their hood. That's why they have Bakersfield to Fresno or whatever. NOGAF
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Yesterday was the 90th anniversary of the opening of the Empire State Building. Constructed in one year and 45 days. The I-5 replacement bridge over the Columbia River has been under study for a decade and $250 million spent. We won World War II in less time that it takes to build a bridge. Took four years in the 1930s to construct the Golden Gate bridge with 1930's technology. Today, according to leftards, foodstamps are infrastructure.
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Well, we do have politicians, unions, OSHA and an army of lawyers to enrich and feed.WestlinnDuck said:Yesterday was the 90th anniversary of the opening of the Empire State Building. Constructed in one year and 45 days. The I-5 replacement bridge over the Columbia River has been under study for a decade and $250 million spent. We won World War II in less time that it takes to build a bridge. Took four years in the 1930s to construct the Golden Gate bridge with 1930's technology. Today, according to leftards, foodstamps are infrastructure.
