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Or we could spend 80 billion so far on a train to nowhere

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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068

    European rail travel is good. Probably the only thing these cucks do well.

    Getting from Seattle to Spokane in 3 hours or less with multiple departure times. For $30. Also fast cheap trains to Leavenworth, Wenatchee, Yakima, ellensburg, etc.

    Sounds like transportation racism imo
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Why? It's a fucking boondoggle that wouldn't survive without Federal subsidies. Train travel is slow and unreliable. If they market doesn't support it why should the government?
    My reason for support is that not everyone likes to fly and if you took away the support for airlines from the feds they would fail too.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    trublue said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Take a trip on Amtrak from Los Angeles to Portland (30 hours) and get back to me. Doesn’t matter whether it is coach or with a roomette.

    It can be expanded “fairly cheaply” . . . Surely you jest!!!
    Done it numerous times... been over the whole US on the train. In sleeper it isn't cheap, but there is some amazing scenery.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    SFGbob said:

    trublue said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Take a trip on Amtrak from Los Angeles to Portland (30 hours) and get back to me. Doesn’t matter whether it is coach or with a roomette.

    It can be expanded “fairly cheaply” . . . Surely you jest!!!
    If time is not an issue and you don't mind unscheduled stops and sitting on a train for 30 hours when a flight would take you 2 it's great. Oh yeah, the fact that Amtrak actually loses money on every rail line they operate outside of the DC to Boston, NYC, Philly corridor is another bonus.
    They actually lose a ton on the NEC when you count maintenance. That's where 90% of the subsidy goes.
  • trubluetrublue Member Posts: 3,042
    edited May 2021
    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Take a trip on Amtrak from Los Angeles to Portland (30 hours) and get back to me. Doesn’t matter whether it is coach or with a roomette.

    It can be expanded “fairly cheaply” . . . Surely you jest!!!
    Done it numerous times... been over the whole US on the train. In sleeper it isn't cheap, but there is some amazing scenery.
    I stayed in a roomette (sofa that folds down into a bed). I pulled the window “shade” down after a couple of hours. No one was able to get it back up the rest of the trip.

    You’ve traveled around the country in Coach?

    C’mon, man. Seriously?
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    Coach no sleeper yea
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,170 Standard Supporter
    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    I used to love the NY to DC train. It is one area that kind of makes sense for rail. I am ;sure it is not making money, but to sit there, use their internet and get work done was nice.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,653 Standard Supporter
    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Why? It's a fucking boondoggle that wouldn't survive without Federal subsidies. Train travel is slow and unreliable. If they market doesn't support it why should the government?
    My reason for support is that not everyone likes to fly and if you took away the support for airlines from the feds they would fail too.
    What support for the airlines - pre chicom crud?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,916
    edited May 2021

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    I used to love the NY to DC train. It is one area that kind of makes sense for rail. I am ;sure it is not making money, but to sit there, use their internet and get work done was nice.
    That northeast corridor is about the only place where a train makes sense.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815

    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Why? It's a fucking boondoggle that wouldn't survive without Federal subsidies. Train travel is slow and unreliable. If they market doesn't support it why should the government?
    My reason for support is that not everyone likes to fly and if you took away the support for airlines from the feds they would fail too.
    What support for the airlines - pre chicom

    Airports get billions a year plus the flight dispatchers
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,916
    edited May 2021


    Pretty sure the airlines pay for a good portion of the air traffic control costs.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    edited May 2021
    They pay some, but no billions and billions are spent every year on it. And then add essential sir service and it is way more than rail gets
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    edited May 2021
    Now I would be happy to have Amtrak looked at there are major issues with the organization due to the unions... Chicago yard puts out trains that are a mess sometimes. I would prefer a public private partnership.
  • trubluetrublue Member Posts: 3,042
    You prefer rail to flying?
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    trublue said:

    You prefer rail to flying?

    I do both.... if I need to be in a hurry I fly but if not I take the train
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,411 Founders Club
    There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068

    There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.

    Phoenix to tucson maybe. Just flat desert.

    But then again no one wants the tucson trash
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,815
    La to Vegas makes sense too... Texas as well...
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,740 Standard Supporter
    By air is always so nice for travel - crammed into an aluminum tube with a big fat person next to you that hasn't bathed in 3 days. Love it
    Train stations are always in the nicer parts of towns, when your train gets in at 2 AM after a 16 hour delay, it is fun trying to find a cab or an Uber driver that speaks Engrish.

    So when I travel I always take the Bus. Love the smell of piss and farts - that is just trying to get into the bus station.

    Travel has gotten to be so much fun in the past decade
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