Police mass murders
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And as I have said on numerous occasions, root out corruption in the police ... that’s a priorityTheKobeStopper said:
A lot of people, myself included, think Chauvin only highlights the problem.Tequilla said:
Sorry ... I don’t consider this good enoughTheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
I understand perceptions are realities ... so I get the skepticism and understand that doesn’t change overnight
The Chauvin verdict should help in the narrative that bad policing isn’t held accountable
But the other side of the coin is that the data and stats aren’t presenting the reality as much as the exception
We have one of the most visible people in the world go after a cop that saved a life and potentially additional lives ... that’s incredibly irresponsible
As I’ve said elsewhere, not only do we need greater accountability out of policing, but we need greater accountability from the public. Until that happens, we’re in a perpetual state of things being fucked
That’s the original report. The only reason there was justice was public pressure. They were plenty happy to sweep it under the rug. The fact that mass protests and political pressure were needed in order to even get a trial for a cop that murdered someone on video does not instill trust.
But you can’t in the interim while that’s happening not be accountable for your own actions and effectively take the approach that you’re not accountable to the law
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Hell he is one of the people who gladly pushes the lies. Black out of wedlock birth rates are due to systemic white racism.Goduckies said:
Black people don't trust the system because their leaders have lied to them for 50 years for political gain... but you love those leaders.TheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off. -
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now? -
Don't do that. This isn't a both sides are to blame issue. What are conservatives supposedly not willing to do? Which side filibustered a police reform bill this past year?Tequilla said:
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now? -
Having been in law enforcement for a long time this root out corruption stuff is funny. At least on the west coast.
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Stop speaking truthsSFGbob said:
How about an honest accounting from the black community of just how much fucking crime is committed by the black community and why that might have some impact on the amount of police presence and police contact blacks have with the police?Tequilla said:
Sorry ... I don’t consider this good enoughTheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
I understand perceptions are realities ... so I get the skepticism and understand that doesn’t change overnight
The Chauvin verdict should help in the narrative that bad policing isn’t held accountable
But the other side of the coin is that the data and stats aren’t presenting the reality as much as the exception
We have one of the most visible people in the world go after a cop that saved a life and potentially additional lives ... that’s incredibly irresponsible
As I’ve said elsewhere, not only do we need greater accountability out of policing, but we need greater accountability from the public. Until that happens, we’re in a perpetual state of things being fucked
Kobe what is your and the left's role in all of this when you give people the excuse of systemic white racism in order to explain their criminal behavior? What role does that play in black assumptions? -
Here at the Tug agreement could be found on police reform. Damone and Kobe are two sides of the same coin but Kobe insists on bashing people over race.
If you want a real national discussion include every police shooting and maybe focus on victims that are actual victims
Police enjoy the benefit of the doubt from most of the public because most of us wouldn't want to be a cop. But it's not a blind support for most.
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Both sides here isn’t left/rightSFGbob said:
Don't do that. This isn't a both sides are to blame issue. What are conservatives supposedly not willing to do? Which side filibustered a police reform bill this past year?Tequilla said:
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now?
This is police reform vs society actually following the law -
My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
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Imagine if people didn't raise their kids to be pieces of shit.
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Good example of why minorities will never vote for you.BangaRang said:My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
A segment of the population fearing the state because of the color of their skin is a very big deal. Keep mocking it though, I enjoy winning. -
So OP's stats are a lie? Refute those or you have zero credibility.
I still think you're a trollin though. You can't truly believe what you say.
Blacks are not hunted by police. These politicized cases all include blacks being baaaaad boys and girls. Show me evidence of systemic attacks against peaceful blacks by white cops.
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You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
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I would prefer if
Why can't black people stop being fucking criminals?TheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
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Executions??
That is so stupid, I can't take the bait, I'm sorry.
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Even better, how about everyone just stops committing crimes? It’s that easy right? We’ll just all agree, tomorrow, no more crime. Problem solved, job done. Should we announce this with a series of commercials or do you think a pamphlet in the mail is the way to go?Pitchfork51 said:I would prefer if
Why can't black people stop being fucking criminals?TheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
What a stupid thing to say. -
Do you think cops should kill people for resisting arrest?BangaRang said:Executions??
That is so stupid, I can't take the bait, I'm sorry. -
Ok so let me get this straight.TheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
When it comes to police brutality, the numbers don’t matter because the real issue is a distrust of the system.
But when it comes to election fraud and voter ID, you want to show me numbers and tell me that public distrust of system doesn’t matter.
And GTFO with this “right wingers don’t question authority” bullshit. Have you been asleep for the last 13 months, or have you forgotten that a politically particular portion of the country is ripshit angry over the ongoing authoritarian dictatorial COVID restrictions and their assault on our civil liberties?
I want you to get smarter so it’s worth my time to tear your arguments apart.
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Nobody is happy when there is a deathTheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
The idea that officers are going out with an intention to execute people (per your words) is wholly dishonest and the data shows that the use of lethal force is a significant exception to the rule
But if your perspective is that, then there honestly isn’t much that can be done to change that opinion because it’s highly anchored with highly emotionally charged reasoning -
Comparing it to voter fraud is clever. The first and most obvious problem with it is your buddies just spent three pages mocking me and you’re reminding everyone that they’ve made the exact same feelings based argument on voter fraud. I’m willing to skip that part though.thechatch said:
Ok so let me get this straight.TheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
When it comes to police brutality, the numbers don’t matter because the real issue is a distrust of the system.
But when it comes to election fraud and voter ID, you want to show me numbers and tell me that public distrust of system doesn’t matter.
And GTFO with this “right wingers don’t question authority” bullshit. Have you been asleep for the last 13 months, or have you forgotten that a politically particular portion of the country is ripshit angry over the ongoing authoritarian dictatorial COVID restrictions and their assault on our civil liberties?
I want you to get smarter so it’s worth my time to tear your arguments apart.
Let’s just cut through the fat of this, when black people say they don’t trust the police, that they are scared to interact with them, that they don’t trust the system that is meant to keep us all safe, I believe them. When you say you don’t trust the voting machines, that you are scared elections are being stolen, that we are now a banana republic, I simply don’t believe you.
I think it’s part sour grapes, part delusion and part political strategy.
With all of that said, I would still support some measures to make elections more secure. You just don’t want the measures I want because I would make it easier for everyone to legally vote. You only want election security if it makes it harder for people to vote.
That was a good post by you. Aside from the “masks are fascism” nonsense. I don’t think most of your teammates are capable of a post that good. -
There are plenty of right wingers happy to have one less criminal alive. You just choose not to see it.Tequilla said:
Nobody is happy when there is a deathTheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
The idea that officers are going out with an intention to execute people (per your words) is wholly dishonest and the data shows that the use of lethal force is a significant exception to the rule
But if your perspective is that, then there honestly isn’t much that can be done to change that opinion because it’s highly anchored with highly emotionally charged reasoning -
While it goes against the due process for which the Throbber most certainly will die, the Throbber sheds zero tears for the overwhelming number of people (white or black) who put themselves in the position to be shot by their own choices and decisions. Not particularly 'happy' the knife-wielding lowlife is dead but most certainly happy that police have the authority to save the life of another human when threatened.TheKobeStopper said:
There are plenty of right wingers happy to have one less criminal alive. You just choose not to see it.Tequilla said:
Nobody is happy when there is a deathTheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
The idea that officers are going out with an intention to execute people (per your words) is wholly dishonest and the data shows that the use of lethal force is a significant exception to the rule
But if your perspective is that, then there honestly isn’t much that can be done to change that opinion because it’s highly anchored with highly emotionally charged reasoning
Chick pulls a knife and goes after another human - total disregard for the potential worst case scenario. She now dead. Who cares? Her freedom of choice, her outcome. Happy for the gal who survived and otherwise may not have had the police hesitated in using deadly force.
You choose not to see the life saved and are happy another black person was shot to further the race narrative.
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Why yes of it warrants dealt force. Are you actually this stupid? You never cease to amaze.TheKobeStopper said:
Do you think cops should kill people for resisting arrest?BangaRang said:Executions??
That is so stupid, I can't take the bait, I'm sorry.
Police work isn't pretty when people resist. It never "looks" good. Video has changed perception but its still an ugly process. Rodney King occurred but what happened to him was exactly what the training of the day prescribed. I'll let you know when using violence looks good.
Feelings are not part of the process. I thinK TKS needs to sign up to be a cop we'll see how he feels after a couple years on the job. Probably can't pass a background check though. -
You're not winning. In fact, it is alienating wide swaths of otherwise reasonable people who are stocking up big time on guns and ammo.TheKobeStopper said:
Good example of why minorities will never vote for you.BangaRang said:My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
A segment of the population fearing the state because of the color of their skin is a very big deal. Keep mocking it though, I enjoy winning.
When vigilante law enforcement comes back in vogue, all bets are off on how many 'mostly peaceful' criminals die.
Bang bang, motherfucker, when untrained in conflict management Joe Accountant starts taking policing matters into his own hands.
And you're "winning". You keep kidding yourself in your trust fund/theoretical echo chamber.
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Only reason TKS has a trust fund is because he's mentally incapable of caring for himself. It's obvious.PurpleThrobber said:
You're not winning. In fact, it is alienating wide swaths of otherwise reasonable people who are stocking up big time on guns and ammo.TheKobeStopper said:
Good example of why minorities will never vote for you.BangaRang said:My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
A segment of the population fearing the state because of the color of their skin is a very big deal. Keep mocking it though, I enjoy winning.
When vigilante law enforcement comes back in vogue, all bets are off on how many 'mostly peaceful' criminals die.
Bang bang, motherfucker, when untrained in conflict management Joe Accountant starts taking policing matters into his own hands.
And you're "winning". You keep kidding yourself in your trust fund/theoretical echo chamber. -
You are the worst type of pathetic liar but, anything is fair game for your righteous cause, amirite?TheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
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And you were happy when the war hero got shotTheKobeStopper said:
There are plenty of right wingers happy to have one less criminal alive. You just choose not to see it.Tequilla said:
Nobody is happy when there is a deathTheKobeStopper said:You can be happy to have the state execute people for committing felonies and resisting arrest, I’m not. But I’m not a fascist so, you know.
The idea that officers are going out with an intention to execute people (per your words) is wholly dishonest and the data shows that the use of lethal force is a significant exception to the rule
But if your perspective is that, then there honestly isn’t much that can be done to change that opinion because it’s highly anchored with highly emotionally charged reasoning
And she wanted to be an astronaut -
Good example of your craven concern for votes not the issueTheKobeStopper said:
Good example of why minorities will never vote for you.BangaRang said:My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
A segment of the population fearing the state because of the color of their skin is a very big deal. Keep mocking it though, I enjoy winning.
Trying to lose the white vote is a bold strategy
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When white guys claim they "fear" the state you mock them and call them conspiracy nuts.TheKobeStopper said:
Good example of why minorities will never vote for you.BangaRang said:My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
A segment of the population fearing the state because of the color of their skin is a very big deal. Keep mocking it though, I enjoy winning.
