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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    I feel like the middle class is vanishing. I have no numbers to back it up but just what I sense around me.

    Lol, no offense Derek, but no "feelings" needed. The middle class vanishing is one of the most quantifiable and striking trends of the last 30 years.
    It had to be sarkasm. Either that or the timcast, milo, rush, and Alex haven’t been covering economis.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited February 2021
    Later in the week, S@ccfm met GG for lunch and discovered what her real intentions were. She referred to this as her Gift from God and laid it all out. She wanted S@ to purchase $25,000 in Microsoft stock at the Market in the name of the Trust from young Tommy who is a nice boy and had just started at Merrill Lynch so could use the Commission, to hold in the trust for 30 years at which tim, the Sauve@ one would distribute the proceeds to the Beneficiaries as directed. Suave would have full discretion over the account and it would be their little secret. They finished their lunch said their goodbyes and Suave tidied up the paperwork.

    GG died fulfilled just 4 short years later with the knowledge the seed they planted together was growing quite nicely.

    26 years had passed and Suave was now ready for the Big reveal to all the Beneficiaries, simultaneously, in the same room just as GG had envisioned it.

    Turns out 50% would go to the Church. Let’s face it. God brought GG and Suave together many years ago for This day and since He is a much Bigger guy than Joe Biden, he deserves a bigger cut, right?

    But the interesting part of the story came with the other 50%.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited February 2021
    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,340
    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,340
    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,340

    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
    Helps the Club’s post stats. I’ll allow it.
  • spuden
    spuden Member Posts: 376
    doogie said:

    spuden said:

    No, it’s not right.

    The chart you included is slightly misleading, as it only captures accounts managed by Fidelity. It doesn’t capture 401k, IRA and other defined contribution (e.g. 403b) accounts managed by Vanguard, Schwab, TD Ameritrade, the Thrift Savings Plan, etc.

    Disagree. America is House rich which is why homeowners and small re investors are about to get squeezed in Washington state and I’d imagine every blue state in the country. The report is from fidelity, the data is comprehensive. You 401(k)/IRA Millionares out there are not particularly common.

    I met a guy in Lauralhurst(?) about three years ago. Some property tax issue was in the news, I can’t remember which one, he casually mentions the thousands he’s about to get jacked and laughed it off. He was asked if he had a limit where it’s “too much” Nope. Not at all. The way he looked at it, whatever was happening in Seattle appreciation wise far outweighed the amount he was getting hit for and although it would eventually cause him a cash flow issue, he was confident the market would always lend against his rising equity to fund their need for increasing property tax.
    You could very well be correct in your premise that America is house rich and lacking in investment wealth. But, the data cited by Fidelity is not comprehensive and inclusive of other investment advisors or brokers. The chart and data from which the chart is derived include only Fidelity accounts. In addition, since it is not per person, there may be people with retirement assets in many different accounts, like 200k in a traditional IRA, 400k in a Roth IRA, and 500k in a 401k, all at Fidelity. Since it’s by account and not investor, such a person would not be included as a 401k/IRA millionaire according to Fidelity’s criteria.

    While I believe there are probably a lot of Gen X that need to save more, from my circle of friends I literally know no one not maxing 401k contributions to the individual IRS limit of $19,500. That adds up to reasonably significant household wealth in a 10 year bull market with a working spouse who also maxes the 401k contribution.

    I don’t live in Seattle and haven’t since I graduated from UW. I live in DC and it seems to have similar real estate prices to Seattle at the present time. DC proper property appreciation has been pretty significant over the last 10-15 years. With certain gentrifying areas appreciating at warp speed.



  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,703 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Father Thankful praised God and told a funny story about GG that drew Big belly laughs from almost everyone in the room. Everyone that is except Caren.

    You see while Father Thankful was beyond thankful and the two brothers both in disbelief at the size of their unexpected checks, could not contain themselves thanking Suave for his foresight, expertise and loyalty to GG, Caren felt much differently.

    Caren wondered out loud why Father Thankful got so much and why Suave was “””supposedly””” doing this for free? It was WRONG. All wrong and she was going to get to the bottom of it, grabbed her check and while storming out of the room snapped, “Don’t get used to that money Father because a big share of that is MINE and I intend to get what’s coming to me!”

    Undeterred, Suave, eased all tension and refocused everyone back onto GG her generosity and all agreed, God does work in mysterious ways and on His tim

    I think I’m going to be Caren here in a few years. FYFMFE
    Helps the Club’s post stats. I’ll allow it.
    YKW - pics of Caren or GTFO.