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General Bidness Etiquette Query

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  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2021
    Fishpo31 said:

    I struggled with this for quite a while. I call people, and they email or text responses. I call them again, same thing. It drove me nuts, when I call someone, I'm looking for a response (or the prep for one) NOW, not on "their time". I once counted the days between having face-to-face / phone convo with my boss...a little over six weeks...his office was 100 feet from mine.
    See, I think the pandering society has done for Millennials has to stop. Not calling someone back is rude, end of story. Your story is a perfect example as to why. I’m a Xennial, so I’m not unsympathetic as to why younger generations prefer texts or email, but you lose so many vital parts of communication (tone, facial expressions, body language, vocal cues like laughter).

    It’s OK that we all have different ways of communicating, but it has to be a two way street. I rarely hear about Millenials/Gen Z’ers trying to figure out the expectations for their older counterparts.


  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 5,109 Standard Supporter

    See, I think the pandering society has done for Millennials has to stop. Not calling someone back is rude, end of story. Your story is a perfect example as to why. I’m a Xennial, so I’m not unsympathetic as to why younger generations prefer texts or email, but you lose so many vital parts of communication (tone, facial expressions, body language, vocal cues like laughter).

    It’s OK that we all have different ways of communicating, but it has to be a two way street. I rarely hear about Millenials/Gen Z’ers trying to figure out the expectations for their older counterparts.


    I’ve somehow found a few millennials who prefer verbal conversations to text-based ones and they are worth every damn penny. I don’t know how they became this way - one grew up with O.C. money and spurned USC because it was in the ghetto for SMU - but they did. And they work differently.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,867 Founders Club
    I was taught at some point 10 or 15 years ago the 24 hour rule. I try to adhere by it.

    I'm tired of these faggots who take 3-5 business days to respond and use the China Virus as an excuse. DIAF.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,305
    edited February 2021

    See, I think the pandering society has done for Millennials has to stop. Not calling someone back is rude, end of story. Your story is a perfect example as to why. I’m a Xennial, so I’m not unsympathetic as to why younger generations prefer texts or email, but you lose so many vital parts of communication (tone, facial expressions, body language, vocal cues like laughter).

    It’s OK that we all have different ways of communicating, but it has to be a two way street. I rarely hear about Millenials/Gen Z’ers trying to figure out the expectations for their older counterparts.


    To be honest most corporations can absolutely suck it. Before china and the Dems unleashed the plague the workers finally had the leverage and I found it quite funny that employers complained about getting ghosted.

    I'm also a big fan of people leaving with no notice if they are in a job that underpays.

    Millennials have been brutalized economically so the boomers can suck it when they complain about this shit imo.
    (This isn't specifically about you and your point just overall I'm just thinking about the employer/employee contract lately )

    Employers broke the contract of respect and loyalty long ago so they get to experience the consequences.

  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter

    To be honest most corporations can absolutely suck it. Before china and the Dems unleashed the plague the workers finally had the leverage and I found it quite funny that employers complained about getting ghosted.

    I'm also a big fan of people leaving with no notice if they are in a job that underpays.

    Millennials have been brutalized economically so the boomers can suck it when they complain about this shit imo.
    (This isn't specifically about you and your point just overall I'm just thinking about the employer/employee contract lately )

    Employers broke the contract of respect and loyalty long ago so they get to experience the consequences.

    I get that. Many of the articles I read about this phenomenon made the similar points. How many of us have tried to follow up with HR about a pending job application only to not hear anything back? So yeah, what goes around comes around.
  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    The problem with this is if you work in an industry like I do, you're probably going to see these people you ghosted again. You may even be standing in front of them again when companies change hands or personnel changes are made. You ghost a place and your name is going to be known - and not for the reasons you want it known.

    That's why you don't want to set your reputation aside for a deal, either. Another deal can get made, another reputation can't.

    Nobody wants to deliver bad news, but the news isn't changing by you not calling back. Now, you're just going to deal with someone who's more torqued off than they were already. I'll use a text to reply to a call - but only to tell them I'm tied up and will call back. I get the communication phobia, though - some people just won't shut the fuck up, or they're just needy and will wind up eating into your day. People you don't call back just get more needy though - and mad - so you might as well just pull that Band-Aid off fast instead of doing the slow pull.
    Yes. I always remember people who blow me off, if nothing else because it’s usually a pretty good indicator of other more serious shortcomings.

    Again, as I am on the Gen X/Millennials cusp so I do sympathize with many of their world views, but take the example of the client/co-worker that drones on for too long. Use your emotional intelligence to still have the conversation but end it quickly:

    - “Hey Bob, sorry to be a bit rushed, but I have a hard cut off of 15 minutes. Gotta go xxxxx”
    - “Hmmmmmm. Sounds like we need to schedule a separate meeting about this to give it the attention it deserves”

    Whatever. Tailor it to your audience.

    But yeah, not calling back or not having that conversation definitely makes things worse.
  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,683 Swaye's Wigwam
    dflea said:

    ...some people just won't shut the fuck up...

    HEY! Mods?

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,305
    dflea said:

    The problem with this is if you work in an industry like I do, you're probably going to see these people you ghosted again. You may even be standing in front of them again when companies change hands or personnel changes are made. You ghost a place and your name is going to be known - and not for the reasons you want it known.

    That's why you don't want to set your reputation aside for a deal, either. Another deal can get made, another reputation can't.

    Nobody wants to deliver bad news, but the news isn't changing by you not calling back. Now, you're just going to deal with someone who's more torqued off than they were already. I'll use a text to reply to a call - but only to tell them I'm tied up and will call back. I get the communication phobia, though - some people just won't shut the fuck up, or they're just needy and will wind up eating into your day. People you don't call back just get more needy though - and mad - so you might as well just pull that Band-Aid off fast instead of doing the slow pull.
    Yeah I'm mostly referring to like your nameless office workers
  • backthepackbackthepack Member Posts: 19,918
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    To be honest most corporations can absolutely suck it. Before china and the Dems unleashed the plague the workers finally had the leverage and I found it quite funny that employers complained about getting ghosted.

    I'm also a big fan of people leaving with no notice if they are in a job that underpays.

    Millennials have been brutalized economically so the boomers can suck it when they complain about this shit imo.
    (This isn't specifically about you and your point just overall I'm just thinking about the employer/employee contract lately )

    Employers broke the contract of respect and loyalty long ago so they get to experience the consequences.

    @RaceBannon , them's fightin' words.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    24 hours.

    Mysterious as ever my Fudge.

    #iamyourdad
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    Yes. I always remember people who blow me off, if nothing else because it’s usually a pretty good indicator of other more serious shortcomings.

    Again, as I am on the Gen X/Millennials cusp so I do sympathize with many of their world views, but take the example of the client/co-worker that drones on for too long. Use your emotional intelligence to still have the conversation but end it quickly:

    - “Hey Bob, sorry to be a bit rushed, but I have a hard cut off of 15 minutes. Gotta go xxxxx”
    - “Hmmmmmm. Sounds like we need to schedule a separate meeting about this to give it the attention it deserves”

    Whatever. Tailor it to your audience.

    But yeah, not calling back or not having that conversation definitely makes things worse.


    If only you'd been born a man. What a Ceasar you would have been.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,268
    Manufacturing drama.

    Man, do I hate that shit.

    Tell your daughter she's fucking awesome!
  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    Manufacturing drama.

    Man, do I hate that shit.

    Tell your daughter she's fucking awesome!

    Yes, that friend of Creep’s daughter provides yet another example of my point - STOp trying to have certain conversations over text! Those type of topics should be broached either in person or over the phone.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    Yes, that friend of Creep’s daughter provides yet another example of my point - STOp trying to have certain conversations over text! Those type of topics should be broached either in person or over the phone.
    First, I agree with your statement. But young generation rather go to a dentist than pick up phone call.....so you sound old
  • LesGrossmanLesGrossman Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,479 Founders Club

    People seem to think manners are some stuffy relic of the Victorian era, but in reality it’s the glue that holds this shit show together.


  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    So, #HHMissManners bored, then?
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