Elijah Molden
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Correction they have him the 15th rated DB out of 18 in this class lmao some team is going to get a steal
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DodgyBloke said:
Correction they have him the 15th rated DB out of 18 in this class lmao some team is going to get a steal
He ain't gonna be the 15th DB drafted. -
3rd round I bet. Maybe 2nd. He’s a nickel tho so it’s mid 2nd at best.
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The only way DBs go in the first round:
* Top CB capable of covering franchise WRs every down. 6-6’2” 200ish, with elite speed.
* Freak safety. Jamal Adams or Minkah Fitzpatrick types.
Those are the top-20ish picks that are usually on NFL radars from the time they’re 5-star recruits.
End of the first round or start of the second you can get the slightly damaged or defective version of those.
Safeties, and CBs you don’t expect to be perennial Pro-Bowl level contributors start in the second round. If Molden is 5’10” he will probably be pigeonholed as a slot corner or nickelback. The only way to overcome that size and be a first rounder is with insane, sustained production and elite athleticism. CB is one of those positions where there is no substitute for the right combo of size and athleticism, safety is more lenient but also more replaceable thus a lower draft value. -
Agree. The only guy off memory similar in size who didn't match what you wrote was Joe Haden and he went 7th overall. I think Molden sneaks into rd 1 if he runs in the 4.4s. It is really hard to tell now fast he is.RatherBeBrewing said:The only way DBs go in the first round:
* Top CB capable of covering franchise WRs every down. 6-6’2” 200ish, with elite speed.
* Freak safety. Jamal Adams or Minkah Fitzpatrick types.
Those are the top-20ish picks that are usually on NFL radars from the time they’re 5-star recruits.
End of the first round or start of the second you can get the slightly damaged or defective version of those.
Safeties, and CBs you don’t expect to be perennial Pro-Bowl level contributors start in the second round. If Molden is 5’10” he will probably be pigeonholed as a slot corner or nickelback. The only way to overcome that size and be a first rounder is with insane, sustained production and elite athleticism. CB is one of those positions where there is no substitute for the right combo of size and athleticism, safety is more lenient but also more replaceable thus a lower draft value. -
Who is "they"? There are numerous draft projection sites with rankings all over the place.
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It wouldn’t surprise me too much if Molden snuck into the end of the first round, or at all if he’s a second rounder. He did do testing at The Opening finals, which isn’t the most accurate but is useful for comparing to guys from the same event. Some other guys from the 2016 event-KrunkJuice said:
Agree. The only guy off memory similar in size who didn't match what you wrote was Joe Haden and he went 7th overall. I think Molden sneaks into rd 1 if he runs in the 4.4s. It is really hard to tell now fast he is.RatherBeBrewing said:The only way DBs go in the first round:
* Top CB capable of covering franchise WRs every down. 6-6’2” 200ish, with elite speed.
* Freak safety. Jamal Adams or Minkah Fitzpatrick types.
Those are the top-20ish picks that are usually on NFL radars from the time they’re 5-star recruits.
End of the first round or start of the second you can get the slightly damaged or defective version of those.
Safeties, and CBs you don’t expect to be perennial Pro-Bowl level contributors start in the second round. If Molden is 5’10” he will probably be pigeonholed as a slot corner or nickelback. The only way to overcome that size and be a first rounder is with insane, sustained production and elite athleticism. CB is one of those positions where there is no substitute for the right combo of size and athleticism, safety is more lenient but also more replaceable thus a lower draft value.
Elijah Molden: 4.52 at The Opening
Jaylon Johnson: 4.47 at The Opening 4.50 at NFL combine
Cam Akers: 4.41 at The Opening 4.47 at combine
Demo Lenoir: 4.43 at The Opening
Usually RBs and DBs run slower times after college, as they bulk up. Salvon Ahmed took that to the extreme, as he was the fastest RB at 4.32 and pulled off a 4.62 at the combine.
Not to nitpick, but Joe Haden also applies although he’s below ideal size. He follows the insane, sustained production part: 220 tackles and 8 INT in three seasons, unanimous first team All-American, star of a national title game, crazy athleticism, recruiting pedigree 59th overall on Rivals. -
Budda Baker went early second round, Budda was ranked as the top nickel DB and the 2nd best FS in the draft his year.RatherBeBrewing said:
It wouldn’t surprise me too much if Molden snuck into the end of the first round, or at all if he’s a second rounder. He did do testing at The Opening finals, which isn’t the most accurate but is useful for comparing to guys from the same event. Some other guys from the 2016 event-KrunkJuice said:
Agree. The only guy off memory similar in size who didn't match what you wrote was Joe Haden and he went 7th overall. I think Molden sneaks into rd 1 if he runs in the 4.4s. It is really hard to tell now fast he is.RatherBeBrewing said:The only way DBs go in the first round:
* Top CB capable of covering franchise WRs every down. 6-6’2” 200ish, with elite speed.
* Freak safety. Jamal Adams or Minkah Fitzpatrick types.
Those are the top-20ish picks that are usually on NFL radars from the time they’re 5-star recruits.
End of the first round or start of the second you can get the slightly damaged or defective version of those.
Safeties, and CBs you don’t expect to be perennial Pro-Bowl level contributors start in the second round. If Molden is 5’10” he will probably be pigeonholed as a slot corner or nickelback. The only way to overcome that size and be a first rounder is with insane, sustained production and elite athleticism. CB is one of those positions where there is no substitute for the right combo of size and athleticism, safety is more lenient but also more replaceable thus a lower draft value.
Elijah Molden: 4.52 at The Opening
Jaylon Johnson: 4.47 at The Opening 4.50 at NFL combine
Cam Akers: 4.41 at The Opening 4.47 at combine
Demo Lenoir: 4.43 at The Opening
Usually RBs and DBs run slower times after college, as they bulk up. Salvon Ahmed took that to the extreme, as he was the fastest RB at 4.32 and pulled off a 4.62 at the combine.
Not to nitpick, but Joe Haden also applies although he’s below ideal size. He follows the insane, sustained production part: 220 tackles and 8 INT in three seasons, unanimous first team All-American, star of a national title game, crazy athleticism, recruiting pedigree 59th overall on Rivals.
Molden isn't seen as a safety hybrid like Budda was and he doesnt have the same proven production that Budda had. Molden COULD be a Budda type but its hard to imagine him going in the first round or even early 2nd even if he tests really well...
The shitshow of a season is going to have coaches/scouts depending even more on the underwear Olympics measurables this year and limiting risk, If molden tests well I could see him going late 2nd, if he tests poorly I could see him dropping way into the 6th.
The ELITE prototypical outside CBs and larger safeties will go before him IMO... But its the NFL... EWIWBI. -
He won't drop anywhere near the 6th. 4th is his floor IMO baring some sort of Bryant/Ahmed combine disaster.Houhusky said:
Budda Baker went early second round, Budda was ranked as the top nickel DB and the 2nd best FS in the draft his year.RatherBeBrewing said:
It wouldn’t surprise me too much if Molden snuck into the end of the first round, or at all if he’s a second rounder. He did do testing at The Opening finals, which isn’t the most accurate but is useful for comparing to guys from the same event. Some other guys from the 2016 event-KrunkJuice said:
Agree. The only guy off memory similar in size who didn't match what you wrote was Joe Haden and he went 7th overall. I think Molden sneaks into rd 1 if he runs in the 4.4s. It is really hard to tell now fast he is.RatherBeBrewing said:The only way DBs go in the first round:
* Top CB capable of covering franchise WRs every down. 6-6’2” 200ish, with elite speed.
* Freak safety. Jamal Adams or Minkah Fitzpatrick types.
Those are the top-20ish picks that are usually on NFL radars from the time they’re 5-star recruits.
End of the first round or start of the second you can get the slightly damaged or defective version of those.
Safeties, and CBs you don’t expect to be perennial Pro-Bowl level contributors start in the second round. If Molden is 5’10” he will probably be pigeonholed as a slot corner or nickelback. The only way to overcome that size and be a first rounder is with insane, sustained production and elite athleticism. CB is one of those positions where there is no substitute for the right combo of size and athleticism, safety is more lenient but also more replaceable thus a lower draft value.
Elijah Molden: 4.52 at The Opening
Jaylon Johnson: 4.47 at The Opening 4.50 at NFL combine
Cam Akers: 4.41 at The Opening 4.47 at combine
Demo Lenoir: 4.43 at The Opening
Usually RBs and DBs run slower times after college, as they bulk up. Salvon Ahmed took that to the extreme, as he was the fastest RB at 4.32 and pulled off a 4.62 at the combine.
Not to nitpick, but Joe Haden also applies although he’s below ideal size. He follows the insane, sustained production part: 220 tackles and 8 INT in three seasons, unanimous first team All-American, star of a national title game, crazy athleticism, recruiting pedigree 59th overall on Rivals.
Molden isn't seen as a safety hybrid like Budda was and he doesnt have the same proven production that Budda had. Molden COULD be a Budda type but its hard to imagine him going in the first round or even early 2nd even if he tests really well...
The shitshow of a season is going to have coaches/scouts depending even more on the underwear Olympics measurables this year and limiting risk, If molden tests well I could see him going late 2nd, if he tests poorly I could see him dropping way into the 6th.
The ELITE prototypical outside CBs and larger safeties will go before him IMO... But its the NFL... EWIWBI.
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- 4 round floor
- 3rd round of he tests and interviews well at the underwear olympics. No question he will interview tops ... Physical testing is the critical part
- 2nd round if he test and interviews outstanding AND someone falls in love with his bloodlines both family and uw secondary reputation for coaching up.
- late, late 1st round if someone is high on draft night and thinks moldeb is 6 feet tall
