I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
I'm largely a patient person ...
Then I read this post ... and it's time to take the gloves off
I will start by saying that as a white male there are things that I can't possibly understand because I haven't walked a mile in the shoes of others that aren't me. I can try to understand, I can listen, I can be sympathetic, I can be any number of things ... but at the end of the day those are shoes that I haven't walked in and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and try to lecture anybody on race- or gender-related topics as a result.
So let's be very clear now ... absolutely not one single thing I'm saying going forward is tied to race or one's gender.
I can't speak for others that have had an opinion that said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer. It's ignorant of anyone that has made that statement or holds that opinion.
You know what else is ignorant? Not understanding your situations and surroundings ... I'll give you a real quick example:
I'd be willing to bet that everybody has heard some form of the narrative of the lesson that "nothing good happens when out after midnight." I've effectively had 2 instances in my life where that narrative rung true.
1) I was driving home from work after midnight on New Year's Eve ... I was driving so carefully that I actually got pulled over by a cop wanting to make sure that I wasn't drunk. Upon realizing I was coming from work he laughed when I told him I was trying to give room for those that were drunk and stay out of the way. Less than 10 minutes later I was almost run off the road by a drunk driver.
2) Years later I was heading to my buddy's house on a Saturday night in Dallas. It wasn't midnight yet but it was probably about 10:30 or so and I was planning on heading to his place, walk to go get some drinks, and crash on his couch for the night. Merge onto the freeway and a motorcycle gets sideswiped right in front of me and forces me to slam on the breaks. 10 seconds later a car full of high school girls not paying attention rear ends me at a full stop and the impact sends me across 3-4 lanes of Saturday night Dallas traffic (not the place you want to be).
I wasn't doing anything wrong. Did I deserve to be in those situations? Absolutely not. Did I learn from those situations about finding ways to give yourself outs, avoiding certain "high risk" intersections, etc. on a go forward basis? Absolutely.
So with respect to Breonna Taylor, did she deserve to get shot? Was she herself doing anything wrong? Absolutely not. Was she keeping good company? Probably not the best. Was him shooting at the cops upon entering a good idea? Not at all. Was she a victim? Absolutely.
But the question to me with Breonna Taylor is who or what is she a victim of? My point to the story above is simply is that we all have a multitude of choices we make in life. Somewhere along the line as a society we have lost accountability for our actions and choices. It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions. If her boyfriend doesn't fire his gun, is Breonna Taylor here today? Very very high likelihood. The answer is always more complicated than just point the finger and that's that.
Your overall narrative is that you can't have good cops when there are bad cops. This is the strawman of all strawman arguments ...
What % of police officers would you estimate that are good cops? I'll give you a hint ... it's a fairly high %
You want to talk about how we should be looking at reform within the police to have greater levels of intolerance to behaviors? You've got my ear.
But every police officer accused of behavior that should result in a firing or criminal prosecution is entitled to fair representation (likely starting with their union), a fair trial (if required), and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty ... just like any other person in this country.
You want to talk about how we can create accountability to the above to remove bad cops ... I'm listening. You know who else is listening? Every single good cop out there because the bad cop is making their life and job more difficult by the day.
And you know who else needs to listen? The police unions in making sure that they set a culture of accountability within their membership that doing the right thing is expected. Pressure for this needs to not only start with the police membership but also within governments and the communities with which these police officers serve.
You know what I'm not here for though? The strawman saying that until we have no bad cops we can't have good cops. That's an absolute bullshit statement ...
Corruption exists all around ... anybody that thinks that you're going to eliminate corruption is fooling themselves. If that is your standard you're never going to get anywhere on anything.
There are bad doctors out there ... you know the whole concept of medical malpractice? Should we just eliminate doctors because there are some bad apples out there? Can't have a good doctor if there's a bad doctor - right?
Or how about a government official ... no chance they are corrupt right? So since we have corrupt government officials we should just get rid of government?
Or let's talk about the business person or corporation? From time to time they get a little too full of themselves and they become corrupt. So since we can't guarantee that every business acts ethically and morally, always sells a good working product, etc. we shouldn't have any of that.
Or how about even something as simple as lettuce ... every once in while lettuce gets contaminated and leads to huge issues like E.Coli ... or dairy leading to salmonella. You know what ... if we can't guarantee that those things are 100% good then we can't have those either.
You want me to keep going?
Perfection is a goal that you aspire to knowing that perfection is never achieved. It's the carrot that you keep in front of you to ensure continual improvement and to avoid complacency.
Defunding the police doesn't move the police to a more perfect result. If anything it creates new problems ... things that we may not even be thinking about today. Scrapping the whole thing and starting over won't be perfect either ... you know why? Because NOTHING is perfect. And if that's your standard ... then you can sit off to the side and bitch and complain about everything that is wrong and gradually get ignored because in the end you have nothing to bring to the table that offer solutions or actionable items ... instead all you bring is negative noise that divides and tears down instead of finding ways to heal and bring together.
I think what you'll find is that more people than you think are very willing to have discussions about reforming police and asking the question how can we do better. But when people immediately move to blame all that is wrong on police? Nah ... that's going to get resisted by a lot of people.
Until people are willing to actually sit, talk, listen, and try to find common ground and solutions we're fucked as a society. Regardless of what side of the table you're on, if you have any kind of mindset tied to "if you don't believe the way I do you're just flat out fucking wrong" or using identity related politics as a means to bully/shame people that disagree with you through distorting their views or values or whatever, then at this point you're just pouring gasoline on to the fires that are out there and pushing everybody further and further away from solutions.
What gets queerer by the day to me is the antipathy against police from big state progressives. In day to day life for average people, the police are the ultimate expression of the State.
My two cents, you don’t understand left wing ideology so you project onto us that we must worship the state the way you worship capitalism. But we don’t.
We understand it quite well. I think you just don’t understand how stupid it is. Left wing ideology has led to death and misery for millions of peoole, including some in my family. You’re a fuxking idiot.
I really enjoy that, during a pandemic, you guys want people to die in the name of capitalism and still have the audacity to talk about socialism killing people.
Any time you want to compare the death counts of capitalism and socialism, I’m down.
Nobody wants anybody to die ...
This is the exact kind of shit that bothers me more than anything else when people take Opinion A and twist it into the most sinister of implications that is Opinion B ... so fucking stupid.
Global pandemics happen ... they've happened throughout history and they'll happen again going forward.
When one hits where the convergence of facts leads to a pretty bad event then the question is how do you look at all the variables and considerations in play and get the best possible outcome. And what is considered the best possible outcome?
There is this fallacy out there that if we just locked everybody down until there was a vaccine then deaths would be down. I don't particularly buy that because the collateral damage to massive shut downs is flat out massive.
First, the biggest loser through this entire pandemic has been the kids that have had their schooling completely uprooted. The development that they've lost will cause some significant at best short-term implications over the remainder of their development during their educational years. At worst, the emotional scars that they've endured going through the pandemic stay with them going forward in a negative manner.
Second, if you shut down, you effectively soul crush the majority of the small business population resulting in not only owners losing their entire livelihood but also those who are employed by those businesses (which is effectively half of the entire workforce population in private sector jobs) having nowhere to turn.
From a business case, when that happens what you effectively have isn't a downturn or a recession, it's called a depression.
You know what an outcome from a depression is? Massive upswings in suicide rates. Take a look at the chart here (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093269/) where you see in a depression you're looking at suicide rates that are approximately 2x that of normal conditions. So cool I guess ... we'll trade deaths from the pandemic for increases in suicides ... good call.
And finally, the whole lock everybody down thing doesn't work anyway because eventually people get fed up and revolt against restrictive policies particularly when they have nothing else to lose. If you're any kind of student of history you'd understand that.
But go ahead and talk about decisions made during this pandemic as an indication that this death toll is all in the name of all mighty capitalism.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
I agree with you all the way, but there are people that support bad cops. There are also the grey areas like the guy with a knife that got shot seven times and is paralyzed.
To some, that was evil by the police that they shot him seven times. To others, they see the guy had a knife, had a warrant, was ignoring orders, and let’s face it, he was a shitty person.
You're never going to get 100% consensus so that stuff doesn't bother me
If you give 95% of the people that support good cops and are for holding bad cops accountable and 5% saying cops are right all the time no matter what ... the 5% are going to be marginalized and not hold enough of a consensus to really have a platform.
The gray area stuff like you mentioned is always the challenge. It's also where as a society we've lost so much of the ability to think critically and value accountability.
In the end, it's always easy to play Monday Morning QB and act like you know what you'd do in that situation.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
What gets queerer by the day to me is the antipathy against police from big state progressives. In day to day life for average people, the police are the ultimate expression of the State.
My two cents, you don’t understand left wing ideology so you project onto us that we must worship the state the way you worship capitalism. But we don’t.
We understand it quite well. I think you just don’t understand how stupid it is. Left wing ideology has led to death and misery for millions of peoole, including some in my family. You’re a fuxking idiot.
I really enjoy that, during a pandemic, you guys want people to die in the name of capitalism and still have the audacity to talk about socialism killing people.
Any time you want to compare the death counts of capitalism and socialism, I’m down.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
You literally wrote this:
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
You literally wrote this:
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
Make up your fucking mind, weasel.
Guy is a complete jackass. According to Kobe the black female police chief in Seattle resigned because she was mad about not being able to murder black people.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
You literally wrote this:
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
Make up your fucking mind, weasel.
Guy is a complete jackass. According to Kobe the black female police chief in Seattle resigned because she was mad about not being able to murder black people.
He's one talking point after another. Turn him sideways and you can't see him at all.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
It wasn’t a lecture ... it was exposing your hypocrisy
Unfortunately Teq is feeding a useless troll. @TheKobeStopper's type has always been around, bitching, whining and defending criminals who didn't comply, resisted arrest, and got their asses shot for doing stupid shit. KobeStopper doesn't get it, because he either doesn't want to get it or can't get it. He transparently hates cops because they represent the law, and obeying the law is simply too much of a burden for his type, despite his parents giving him "the Talk."
He'll read this and conclude I'm just a racist, because that's as far as his brain matter can stretch. He doesn't give a shit that bad actors in his community make it harder for everyone else in his community to live a good life, including those who police and work in the community. @TheKobeStopper doesn't give a shit about his community, and he proves it every time he makes excuses for the criminals and arrestees who would've suffered no harm at all if they'd simply obeyed lawful commands. Instead, like a parasite, he wants to defund and disband any shred of an organization that demands and enforces personal responsibility and accountability for one's own actions. That's the socialist/communist bag, baby. "It takes a Village to raise a child" is certainly on his bookshelf, as it provides the perfect vehicle for any parent who wants to let the streets raise their kids, and will then piss and moan when little Johnny winds up dead in the gutter at 17. That's the world @TheKobeStopper is shilling for, and is far too ignorant to identify the negative trappings of, even though the entire 20th century demonstrated the failings of collectivism and group identity over 200 million times. And most of the dead masses didn't even get a grave marker or headstone because they dared to think the wrong way. That's @TheKobeStopper's dream world.
“Lost over 100 officers” is an interesting way to put it. How do you lose police officers? Have they checked behind the couch? It’s always in the last place you look.
They quit because assholes like you and the people you vote for throw them under the bus and don't support them. Same thing is happening in Seattle.
So I hurt their feelings?
No, you put their lives in greater danger and you gave more support and sympathy to the criminals than you did to the people trying to police the criminals. Why would anyone want to be a cop in a city like Portland or Seattle or Minneapolis?
If it was all about sympathy for criminals, I’d have sympathy for cops.
What’s your point dipshit? Police need better training, and that requires more funding, not less. Further, most poor communities need more police officers. You’ve offered nothing but snarky, snotty AOC depth responses. Even Al Sharpton disgrees with you.
There is no amount of training to adequately prepare them for what they’re asked to do. What they need is less responsibility and to be demilitarized.
I find it extremely odd that the right wing, individualism, don’t tread on me crowd wants to pump money into the state for policing though. Whenever it just so happens to hurt people of color, policing and the border, the state is incredible and should be trusted 100%. Odd.
I’m being snarky because there’s no point to this thread. No changes have been implemented, just cry baby cops mad that they can’t murder black people. This is why we say there are no good cops. Murdered on a guy on camera and they’re quitting because they’ll actually have to face consequences for it.
You got Al Sharpton on your side. Congratulations.
I'm for abolishing the police. Quit being a pussy faggot and hiding behind "defund".
Unfortunately Teq is feeding a useless troll. @TheKobeStopper's type has always been around, bitching, whining and defending criminals who didn't comply, resisted arrest, and got their asses shot for doing stupid shit. KobeStopper doesn't get it, because he either doesn't want to get it or can't get it. He transparently hates cops because they represent the law, and obeying the law is simply too much of a burden for his type, despite his parents giving him "the Talk."
He'll read this and conclude I'm just a racist, because that's as far as his brain matter can stretch. He doesn't give a shit that bad actors in his community make it harder for everyone else in his community to live a good life, including those who police and work in the community. @TheKobeStopper doesn't give a shit about his community, and he proves it every time he makes excuses for the criminals and arrestees who would've suffered no harm at all if they'd simply obeyed lawful commands. Instead, like a parasite, he wants to defund and disband any shred of an organization that demands and enforces personal responsibility and accountability for one's own actions. That's the socialist/communist bag, baby. "It takes a Village to raise a child" is certainly on his bookshelf, as it provides the perfect vehicle for any parent who wants to let the streets raise their kids, and will then piss and moan when little Johnny winds up dead in the gutter at 17. That's the world @TheKobeStopper is shilling for, and is far too ignorant to identify the negative trappings of, even though the entire 20th century demonstrated the failings of collectivism and group identity over 200 million times. And most of the dead masses didn't even get a grave marker or headstone because they dared to think the wrong way. That's @TheKobeStopper's dream world.
Fuck that shit.
I'd disagree with you that he doesn't care about his community. His community is just fine. The community he doesn't give a shit about is the lower income black and Hispanic communities that he squirts crocodile tears over.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
You literally wrote this:
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
Make up your fucking mind, weasel.
I don’t think literally means what you think it means. It definitely doesn’t mean two completely different statements are the same.
I don’t care if you lean left or right ... find me one person that doesn’t advocate that bad cops that commit crimes shouldn’t be prosecuted
So fucking crazy to think that people that advocate supporting police is twisted to saying that they condone bad cops
Everybody is entitled the assumption of innocence until tried in front of a jury if their peers in a fair trial
Why is this shit that hard?
It rings hollow when we see video after video of cops killing people and the response from the right is “good”. People on this board have repeatedly said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer.
You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system.
It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions.
That’s enough for me.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
You literally wrote this:
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
Make up your fucking mind, weasel.
I don’t think literally means what you think it means. It definitely doesn’t mean two completely different statements are the same.
Deflect deflect deflect
So easy to do and never have to be accountable that way
Because when a white person is killed by the police white people don't view it as an attack on their race. Many black people have been conditioned to view all interactions with the police as inherently racist and part of some racist system. This situation often leads to black people elevating complete scumbags into martyrs. See Mike Brown and Jacob Blake. It doesn't help when you have assholes like Kobe claiming that cops want to murder black people and that the only reason they are now quitting the force is because they're mad that they can no longer murder blacks with impunity.
Seriously if George Floyd was white would you of ever heard his name?
What gets queerer by the day to me is the antipathy against police from big state progressives. In day to day life for average people, the police are the ultimate expression of the State.
My two cents, you don’t understand left wing ideology so you project onto us that we must worship the state the way you worship capitalism. But we don’t.
We understand it quite well. I think you just don’t understand how stupid it is. Left wing ideology has led to death and misery for millions of peoole, including some in my family. You’re a fuxking idiot.
I really enjoy that, during a pandemic, you guys want people to die in the name of capitalism and still have the audacity to talk about socialism killing people.
Any time you want to compare the death counts of capitalism and socialism, I’m down.
Wow, you really are retarded. First you scoffed at why crime went up and why cops quit. Then you acted like it was all about helping people of color. Then you switched to wanting murderers held accountable and tanks not roaming our city streets, which no sane person is against. Now you actually think that you can add up the number of people dead from Mao and Stalin and say yeah, that's not so bad compared to like, capitalism. Now it all makes sense why you like AOC so much. In fact, why don't you shitpost more about Ted Cruz supposedly 'trying 'her' when he wasn't even referring to her.
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Then I read this post ... and it's time to take the gloves off
I will start by saying that as a white male there are things that I can't possibly understand because I haven't walked a mile in the shoes of others that aren't me. I can try to understand, I can listen, I can be sympathetic, I can be any number of things ... but at the end of the day those are shoes that I haven't walked in and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and try to lecture anybody on race- or gender-related topics as a result.
So let's be very clear now ... absolutely not one single thing I'm saying going forward is tied to race or one's gender.
I can't speak for others that have had an opinion that said that Breonna Taylor deserved to die for fucking a drug dealer. It's ignorant of anyone that has made that statement or holds that opinion.
You know what else is ignorant? Not understanding your situations and surroundings ... I'll give you a real quick example:
I'd be willing to bet that everybody has heard some form of the narrative of the lesson that "nothing good happens when out after midnight." I've effectively had 2 instances in my life where that narrative rung true.
1) I was driving home from work after midnight on New Year's Eve ... I was driving so carefully that I actually got pulled over by a cop wanting to make sure that I wasn't drunk. Upon realizing I was coming from work he laughed when I told him I was trying to give room for those that were drunk and stay out of the way. Less than 10 minutes later I was almost run off the road by a drunk driver.
2) Years later I was heading to my buddy's house on a Saturday night in Dallas. It wasn't midnight yet but it was probably about 10:30 or so and I was planning on heading to his place, walk to go get some drinks, and crash on his couch for the night. Merge onto the freeway and a motorcycle gets sideswiped right in front of me and forces me to slam on the breaks. 10 seconds later a car full of high school girls not paying attention rear ends me at a full stop and the impact sends me across 3-4 lanes of Saturday night Dallas traffic (not the place you want to be).
I wasn't doing anything wrong. Did I deserve to be in those situations? Absolutely not. Did I learn from those situations about finding ways to give yourself outs, avoiding certain "high risk" intersections, etc. on a go forward basis? Absolutely.
So with respect to Breonna Taylor, did she deserve to get shot? Was she herself doing anything wrong? Absolutely not. Was she keeping good company? Probably not the best. Was him shooting at the cops upon entering a good idea? Not at all. Was she a victim? Absolutely.
But the question to me with Breonna Taylor is who or what is she a victim of? My point to the story above is simply is that we all have a multitude of choices we make in life. Somewhere along the line as a society we have lost accountability for our actions and choices. It's far easier to blame cops for killing an innocent person because it places blame away from one's actions. If her boyfriend doesn't fire his gun, is Breonna Taylor here today? Very very high likelihood. The answer is always more complicated than just point the finger and that's that.
Your overall narrative is that you can't have good cops when there are bad cops. This is the strawman of all strawman arguments ...
What % of police officers would you estimate that are good cops? I'll give you a hint ... it's a fairly high %
You want to talk about how we should be looking at reform within the police to have greater levels of intolerance to behaviors? You've got my ear.
But every police officer accused of behavior that should result in a firing or criminal prosecution is entitled to fair representation (likely starting with their union), a fair trial (if required), and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty ... just like any other person in this country.
You want to talk about how we can create accountability to the above to remove bad cops ... I'm listening. You know who else is listening? Every single good cop out there because the bad cop is making their life and job more difficult by the day.
And you know who else needs to listen? The police unions in making sure that they set a culture of accountability within their membership that doing the right thing is expected. Pressure for this needs to not only start with the police membership but also within governments and the communities with which these police officers serve.
You know what I'm not here for though? The strawman saying that until we have no bad cops we can't have good cops. That's an absolute bullshit statement ...
Corruption exists all around ... anybody that thinks that you're going to eliminate corruption is fooling themselves. If that is your standard you're never going to get anywhere on anything.
There are bad doctors out there ... you know the whole concept of medical malpractice? Should we just eliminate doctors because there are some bad apples out there? Can't have a good doctor if there's a bad doctor - right?
Or how about a government official ... no chance they are corrupt right? So since we have corrupt government officials we should just get rid of government?
Or let's talk about the business person or corporation? From time to time they get a little too full of themselves and they become corrupt. So since we can't guarantee that every business acts ethically and morally, always sells a good working product, etc. we shouldn't have any of that.
Or how about even something as simple as lettuce ... every once in while lettuce gets contaminated and leads to huge issues like E.Coli ... or dairy leading to salmonella. You know what ... if we can't guarantee that those things are 100% good then we can't have those either.
You want me to keep going?
Perfection is a goal that you aspire to knowing that perfection is never achieved. It's the carrot that you keep in front of you to ensure continual improvement and to avoid complacency.
Defunding the police doesn't move the police to a more perfect result. If anything it creates new problems ... things that we may not even be thinking about today. Scrapping the whole thing and starting over won't be perfect either ... you know why? Because NOTHING is perfect. And if that's your standard ... then you can sit off to the side and bitch and complain about everything that is wrong and gradually get ignored because in the end you have nothing to bring to the table that offer solutions or actionable items ... instead all you bring is negative noise that divides and tears down instead of finding ways to heal and bring together.
I think what you'll find is that more people than you think are very willing to have discussions about reforming police and asking the question how can we do better. But when people immediately move to blame all that is wrong on police? Nah ... that's going to get resisted by a lot of people.
Until people are willing to actually sit, talk, listen, and try to find common ground and solutions we're fucked as a society. Regardless of what side of the table you're on, if you have any kind of mindset tied to "if you don't believe the way I do you're just flat out fucking wrong" or using identity related politics as a means to bully/shame people that disagree with you through distorting their views or values or whatever, then at this point you're just pouring gasoline on to the fires that are out there and pushing everybody further and further away from solutions.
Gloves back on ...
This is the exact kind of shit that bothers me more than anything else when people take Opinion A and twist it into the most sinister of implications that is Opinion B ... so fucking stupid.
Global pandemics happen ... they've happened throughout history and they'll happen again going forward.
When one hits where the convergence of facts leads to a pretty bad event then the question is how do you look at all the variables and considerations in play and get the best possible outcome. And what is considered the best possible outcome?
There is this fallacy out there that if we just locked everybody down until there was a vaccine then deaths would be down. I don't particularly buy that because the collateral damage to massive shut downs is flat out massive.
First, the biggest loser through this entire pandemic has been the kids that have had their schooling completely uprooted. The development that they've lost will cause some significant at best short-term implications over the remainder of their development during their educational years. At worst, the emotional scars that they've endured going through the pandemic stay with them going forward in a negative manner.
Second, if you shut down, you effectively soul crush the majority of the small business population resulting in not only owners losing their entire livelihood but also those who are employed by those businesses (which is effectively half of the entire workforce population in private sector jobs) having nowhere to turn.
From a business case, when that happens what you effectively have isn't a downturn or a recession, it's called a depression.
You know what an outcome from a depression is? Massive upswings in suicide rates. Take a look at the chart here (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093269/) where you see in a depression you're looking at suicide rates that are approximately 2x that of normal conditions. So cool I guess ... we'll trade deaths from the pandemic for increases in suicides ... good call.
And finally, the whole lock everybody down thing doesn't work anyway because eventually people get fed up and revolt against restrictive policies particularly when they have nothing else to lose. If you're any kind of student of history you'd understand that.
But go ahead and talk about decisions made during this pandemic as an indication that this death toll is all in the name of all mighty capitalism.
If you give 95% of the people that support good cops and are for holding bad cops accountable and 5% saying cops are right all the time no matter what ... the 5% are going to be marginalized and not hold enough of a consensus to really have a platform.
The gray area stuff like you mentioned is always the challenge. It's also where as a society we've lost so much of the ability to think critically and value accountability.
In the end, it's always easy to play Monday Morning QB and act like you know what you'd do in that situation.
And I never said good cops can’t exist if there are bad cops and I never blamed all that is wrong on police. But thank you for the lecture about how I need to listen.
"You cannot be a good cop in a corrupt system. Supporting the police is an endorsement of the system."
Make up your fucking mind, weasel.
Go back and read what you wrote
He'll read this and conclude I'm just a racist, because that's as far as his brain matter can stretch. He doesn't give a shit that bad actors in his community make it harder for everyone else in his community to live a good life, including those who police and work in the community. @TheKobeStopper doesn't give a shit about his community, and he proves it every time he makes excuses for the criminals and arrestees who would've suffered no harm at all if they'd simply obeyed lawful commands. Instead, like a parasite, he wants to defund and disband any shred of an organization that demands and enforces personal responsibility and accountability for one's own actions. That's the socialist/communist bag, baby. "It takes a Village to raise a child" is certainly on his bookshelf, as it provides the perfect vehicle for any parent who wants to let the streets raise their kids, and will then piss and moan when little Johnny winds up dead in the gutter at 17. That's the world @TheKobeStopper is shilling for, and is far too ignorant to identify the negative trappings of, even though the entire 20th century demonstrated the failings of collectivism and group identity over 200 million times. And most of the dead masses didn't even get a grave marker or headstone because they dared to think the wrong way. That's @TheKobeStopper's dream world.
Fuck that shit.
So easy to do and never have to be accountable that way
“Get down on your knees. Relax.”
As her boyfriend is bleeding out in front of her. Both cops are still with the department and no charges have been filed. White Lives Matter?
Seriously if George Floyd was white would you of ever heard his name?