Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular.
You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular.
You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular.
You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.
It's rough out there.
It is rough when you’re just making up things to justify obvious election fraud, even if it doesn’t lead to a Trump win. Do you want fair elections?
Sorry, how is there obvious election fraud? Trump got more votes than he did last time. How do you know those aren't fake?
I don’t know if they aren’t fake. Let’s audit it all and find out. You Democrat dipshits started investigations into Russian Collusion with zero evidence.
We both agree that allegations of voter fraud should be investigated. That’s good middle ground. Any Rs or Ds caught defrauding the voters should be prosecuted.
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing.
You're actually embarrassed by that post? The Tug is for tough guys, not blushing babes.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
As many tims as I used the word “as,” I still underachieved as there were more opportunities to use “as.” FYFMFE
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing.
You're actually embarrassed by that post? The Tug is for tough guys, not blushing babes.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
Who uses 1 axis? Oh right, socialists to label everyone the far right.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. All I can say is that the first thing that comes to mind when people say "Nazi" is not socialism.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. And we can agree, whatever Hitler was is what the Nazis were. I just write him off as a massively malignant despot who had big issues with targeted groups and who wanted to bring greatness to Germany through European expansion and racial/ethnic cleansing.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
Today’s “neo-Nazis” are more White Nationalist than “kill all the Jews.” Basically the white version of the Nation of Islam or Black Panthers in that they want to live with people of their own skin color, but not commit genocide to do so.
I’m not defending them, but it’s my observation of them and how the word “Nazi” has lost all meaning in historical value at present. There is no Hitler-type movement in the USA on any scale that matters.
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. All I can say is that the first thing that comes to mind when people say "Nazi" is not socialism.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
At its simplest level, it seems German Nazism can be reduced to Germany for Germans. Everything they did was in service to that and Hitler's manic predilections. America cannot match that kind of nationalism, just can't.
It still amazes me that in the 70's the ACLU fought for the right for the American Nazis to march through predominantly Jewish Skokie.
Once upon a time that was the mission statement of the ACLU - defend the indefensible if it is constitutional
Now the ACLU is one sided and partisan. Has been silent on lockdowns and state government abuse and just woke up to file suit at anyone daring to question how elections were run
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. And we can agree, whatever Hitler was is what the Nazis were. I just write him off as a massively malignant despot who had big issues with targeted groups and who wanted to bring greatness to Germany through European expansion and racial/ethnic cleansing.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
Today’s “neo-Nazis” are more White Nationalist than “kill all the Jews.” Basically the white version of the Nation of Islam or Black Panthers in that they want to live with people of their own skin color, but not commit genocide to do so.
I’m not defending them, but it’s my observation of them and how the word “Nazi” has lost all meaning in historical value at present. There is no Hitler-type movement in the USA on any scale that matters.
That's fair. I suppose there is probably some left-over dislike of the Jews, but I don't personally know what they're really about beyond what you describe.
It still amazes me that in the 70's the ACLU fought for the right for the American Nazis to march through predominantly Jewish Skokie.
Once upon a time that was the mission statement of the ACLU - defend the indefensible if it is constitutional
Now the ACLU is one sided and partisan. Has been silent on lockdowns and state government abuse and just woke up to file suit at anyone daring to question how elections were run
All Communists and Leftists Union
With a name like that we can't expect anything American in nature.
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We both agree that allegations of voter fraud should be investigated. That’s good middle ground. Any Rs or Ds caught defrauding the voters should be prosecuted.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
FYFMFE
Sad.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. All I can say is that the first thing that comes to mind when people say "Nazi" is not socialism.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
I’m not defending them, but it’s my observation of them and how the word “Nazi” has lost all meaning in historical value at present. There is no Hitler-type movement in the USA on any scale that matters.
Ps, plus Europe for the Germans too, but still.
Once upon a time that was the mission statement of the ACLU - defend the indefensible if it is constitutional
Now the ACLU is one sided and partisan. Has been silent on lockdowns and state government abuse and just woke up to file suit at anyone daring to question how elections were run
With a name like that we can't expect anything American in nature.