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I blame the education systemSFGbob said:
If you read his responses to me and his "defense" of his own comments it's obvious the guy is a poorly informed lightweight. Every hear of the Southern Strategy!?! Idiot liberals always believe that to be some HUGE mic drop.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In other words you have no response because your original point is indefensible. Economics is central to defining if something is Left or Right. HTH.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Unreadable. Try again.UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif
Read a book! Lulz.
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Shit, I’d take that right now if it was in person.RaceBannon said:
I blame the education systemSFGbob said:
If you read his responses to me and his "defense" of his own comments it's obvious the guy is a poorly informed lightweight. Every hear of the Southern Strategy!?! Idiot liberals always believe that to be some HUGE mic drop.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In other words you have no response because your original point is indefensible. Economics is central to defining if something is Left or Right. HTH.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Unreadable. Try again.UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif
Read a book! Lulz. -
Nixon lost the South to Wallace in 1968. Nixon won every state but Massachusetts in 1972 but we're supposed to believe that it was the Southern Strategy that allowed him to win the South and not the fact that the Rat party was running on a far left radical platform that was sarcastically referred to by the GOP as the Acid, Amnesty and Abortion platform.
Btw, the "Southern Strategy" that Nixon used was to appeal to the South's more pro-military, pro-law and order, patriotic voters. -
The Southern strategy didn't really pay off until later, at least in presidential elections. But as a conscious strategy it started in the late 1960s and that is a fact.SFGbob said:
Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do? I love when people respond with bullshit that does nothing to support their original statements.Kingdome_Urinals said:
No, it's not. Pick up a book sometime. Wallace got a lot northern whites too, but the Republicans specifically developed something called a "Southern Strategy," look up the name Kevin Phillips.SFGbob said:
Btw, this is an incredible bad read of history and the facts. Wallace, a Rat until his death, captured most of the Southern vote well after LBJ started enforcing the Civil Rights acts. The South started trending toward Republicans with Ike, but the Rats still had a strangle hold on the majority until 1972. Carter recaptured the the South in 1976 and Clinton in 1992 was able to win many Southern states.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
The enforcement of Brown v. Board, the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts represented the largest incursion of federal authority over southern state and local governance since the Civil War and the Republican party was there to scoop up the disaffected whites. Not blaming them just stating facts.
Dumbass here's what you said:
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party
Telling me that northern whites also supported Wallace does nothing to support your original claim and nothing to refute my claims. I'm well aware of the "Southern Strategy" but it still didn't allow Nixon to take the South in 1968 and in 1972 Nixon took every state in the Union but one. Are you claiming it was the "Southern Strategy" that allowed Nixon to take Minnesota?
How was Carter able to win the South in 1976 if Republicans had scooped up all the disaffected whites?
That's part of how white southerners became a solid Republican voting bloc whereas before they had been solid Democratic voters.
Also, many people across the country share the more conservative ideology of white southerners. Bringing up Minnesota gets back to my point that George Wallace got a lot of votes in the North.
I guess I don't see where you think I've gone wrong logically. Why don't you explain it without being so, shall we say, emotional?
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Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them. -
Nixon won in 1968 based on a disorganized Democratic Party (LBJ refused to run) and the fact that many Americans rightly revolted against some of the extreme social protest antics of the New Left.SFGbob said:Nixon lost the South to Wallace in 1968. Nixon won every state but Massachusetts in 1972 but we're supposed to believe that it was the Southern Strategy that allowed him to win the South and not the fact that the Rat party was running on a far left radical platform that was sarcastically referred to by the GOP as the Acid, Amnesty and Abortion platform.
Btw, the "Southern Strategy" that Nixon used was to appeal to the South's more pro-military, pro-law and order, patriotic voters.
'72 was an even bigger disaster for the Dems as they moved closer to identity politics and further from working-class issues.
The long term outcome is that more and more whites became estranged from the Democrats, a process hastened by free-market economics and the NAFTA-ization of the economy. -
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them. -
Biden needed the white vote to make up for all the minority votes he lost to Trump
And he got them
And we know who white people vote for
But please continue with every cliche known to man -
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular.
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The Nazis weren't all that bad compared to trump imo
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You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.Kingdome_Urinals said:
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular. -
It's rough out there.NorthwestFresh said:
You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.Kingdome_Urinals said:
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular. -
He won, he don’t care how he got it.RaceBannon said:Biden needed the white vote to make up for all the minority votes he lost to Trump
And he got them
And we know who white people vote for
But please continue with every cliche known to man -
It is rough when you’re just making up things to justify obvious election fraud, even if it doesn’t lead to a Trump win. Do you want fair elections?Kingdome_Urinals said:
It's rough out there.NorthwestFresh said:
You’re describing FDR and you don’t even know it. FDR even put people into internment camps as he demonized American citizens of German, Japanese, and Italian descent.Kingdome_Urinals said:
They distinguished themselves from "liberal" capitalists like the French and English and blamed looser sexual mores, race mixing, modern art, jazz, Weimar culture, etc. on the directionless moral vision they believed came from a more laissez-faire national economic policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yes, and they also distinguished themselves from conservatives and capitalists.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
This is why they consciously sought to "conserve" (the root of conservative) the original hard-ass German identity which revolved around cold showers, chaste and compliant matrons, and a profound desire to bake Jews in ovens.
They focused on traditional "national" identity and yes, used government programs to rebuild their economy and become popular. -
Sorry, how is there obvious election fraud? Trump got more votes than he did last time. How do you know those aren't fake?
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I don’t know if they aren’t fake. Let’s audit it all and find out. You Democrat dipshits started investigations into Russian Collusion with zero evidence.Kingdome_Urinals said:Sorry, how is there obvious election fraud? Trump got more votes than he did last time. How do you know those aren't fake?
We both agree that allegations of voter fraud should be investigated. That’s good middle ground. Any Rs or Ds caught defrauding the voters should be prosecuted.
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No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing. -
I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government. -
You're actually embarrassed by that post? The Tug is for tough guys, not blushing babes.Kaepsknee said:
No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing. -
What does Lebron James have to do with any of this?
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As many tims as I used the word “as,” I still underachieved as there were more opportunities to use “as.”GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
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White flag in the 1st quarter.Kingdome_Urinals said:
You're actually embarrassed by that post? The Tug is for tough guys, not blushing babes.Kaepsknee said:
No group calls themselves far right. It’s only the left and the media that does this.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Jesus, there's been plenty of anti-semitism but as a POLITICAL phenomenon, meaning as an actual policy, like GENOCIDE, it's been a far right phenomenon.SFGbob said:
Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left.
Many people explicitly identify as far-right and they use anti-semitism as an organizing tool. Like Aryan nation and neo-Nazis. Heard of them?
Anti-semitism is part of the Nation of Islam and other radical black organizations but to date they have not actually rounded up millions of white people or jews and either enslaved or terminated them.
Furthermore, the Nazis hated the communists more than almost anything else. The Nazis explicitly distinguished themselves from the "far left" communists.
Many German social programs date back to Bismarck, a famous conservative, who first implemented them.
And this Left right center faery tale you weave of the tHE nAZiS hAD tO bE FAr RIGHT!!!! because Russians were Communists is embarrassing.
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Who uses 1 axis? Oh right, socialists to label everyone the far right.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
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This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. All I can say is that the first thing that comes to mind when people say "Nazi" is not socialism.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
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Today’s “neo-Nazis” are more White Nationalist than “kill all the Jews.” Basically the white version of the Nation of Islam or Black Panthers in that they want to live with people of their own skin color, but not commit genocide to do so.creepycoug said:
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. And we can agree, whatever Hitler was is what the Nazis were. I just write him off as a massively malignant despot who had big issues with targeted groups and who wanted to bring greatness to Germany through European expansion and racial/ethnic cleansing.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
I’m not defending them, but it’s my observation of them and how the word “Nazi” has lost all meaning in historical value at present. There is no Hitler-type movement in the USA on any scale that matters.
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At its simplest level, it seems German Nazism can be reduced to Germany for Germans. Everything they did was in service to that and Hitler's manic predilections. America cannot match that kind of nationalism, just can't.creepycoug said:
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. All I can say is that the first thing that comes to mind when people say "Nazi" is not socialism.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
Ps, plus Europe for the Germans too, but still. -
It still amazes me that in the 70's the ACLU fought for the right for the American Nazis to march through predominantly Jewish Skokie.
Once upon a time that was the mission statement of the ACLU - defend the indefensible if it is constitutional
Now the ACLU is one sided and partisan. Has been silent on lockdowns and state government abuse and just woke up to file suit at anyone daring to question how elections were run
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That's fair. I suppose there is probably some left-over dislike of the Jews, but I don't personally know what they're really about beyond what you describe.NorthwestFresh said:
Today’s “neo-Nazis” are more White Nationalist than “kill all the Jews.” Basically the white version of the Nation of Islam or Black Panthers in that they want to live with people of their own skin color, but not commit genocide to do so.creepycoug said:
This. "Nazi" has become like badmitton between the American left and right. The lefties started it, no doubt. Everything and everybody on the right was a Nazi. It has been a "go-to" line, along with racist. Then the right got smart, remembered about southern dixiecrats, and turned the game around.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’m not as learned as you all fighting here. However, from what I’ve read, I think it’s largely fruitless to fix the Nazi party onto the American left/right spectrum.
As pisstrough points out, conservative or liberal can be relative to the contemporary political context. For example, I believe the hardline Soviets in the 1970s were call conservatives as they wanted to maintain strict Soviet system.
For that matter, American left/right doesn’t fit on the classical conservative<—>liberal either, as American progressives clamor for more centralized (dare I say, authoritarian) government.
From what I've learned, a little from books and from good documentaries, it was a mixed bag. That is to say, yes, the word "socialism" is in the name. Stop there if you wish. And some party leaders, like Strasser and Goebbles, had a socialist outlook. But Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the Strasser wing of the party and what would be the "political bolshevization of Germany." Goebbels fell in love with Hitler and that was that. Also, they all hated the communists. Hitler himself blamed the communists and Jews for everything. It's hard to square all that. And we can agree, whatever Hitler was is what the Nazis were. I just write him off as a massively malignant despot who had big issues with targeted groups and who wanted to bring greatness to Germany through European expansion and racial/ethnic cleansing.
Is that conservative? Liberal? I'm not sure those terms have great meaning anymore and seem very hard to apply to Nazi Germany IMO. My view: the Nazis were the Nazis. Attaching that label to any ideaology in America, other than, you know, neo-Nazis, seems disingenuous.
I’m not defending them, but it’s my observation of them and how the word “Nazi” has lost all meaning in historical value at present. There is no Hitler-type movement in the USA on any scale that matters. -
All Communists and Leftists UnionRaceBannon said:It still amazes me that in the 70's the ACLU fought for the right for the American Nazis to march through predominantly Jewish Skokie.
Once upon a time that was the mission statement of the ACLU - defend the indefensible if it is constitutional
Now the ACLU is one sided and partisan. Has been silent on lockdowns and state government abuse and just woke up to file suit at anyone daring to question how elections were run
With a name like that we can't expect anything American in nature.
