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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    Houhusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    ...isn't Biden beating Trump, it's that the Dems look likely to win the Senate as well. Can you imagine what is about to happen with unified socialist government? Court packing, massive tax hikes, energy dependence again, millions of job losses, National Firearms Database...the list goes on and on...

    Scary tim for sure. Help us ACB, you're our only hope...

    Also gonna need the Conservative Supremes to all stay alive for the next 4 years. Lose one and it's back to a lib court because that fag Roberts votes with the libs on everything. Bush fucked that appointment up beyond belief.
    They're going to pack the court so their lives will be irrelevant.
    I tend to not believe that. The Dems are dumb, but doing that loses them at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, and probably the Presidency in 2024. That policy is wildly unpopular with voters.
    I agree, for now. You really think sentiment won’t start changing if 20 million people lose health care coverage?
    How about when 180 million people lose their health insurance when we go to medicare for all?
    Count Gasbag in favor of unelected judges throwing out popular pieces of legislation.
    Good point the constitution does say if legislation is popular enough it’s automatically constitutional.
    The John Roberts rule
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,346 Founders Club
    This is a solid thread. Various viewpoints.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club

    This is a solid thread. Various viewpoints.

    Fuck off















    Don't gulag me!
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,346 Founders Club

    This is a solid thread. Various viewpoints.

    Fuck off















    Don't gulag me!

  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    This is a solid thread. Various viewpoints.

    I am known in some circles for starting solid threads. I am known for that.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:


    Some have termed regarding the concerns of others with whom one does not share circumstances, enlightened.
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:


    Yet he said he would get rid of the tax costs he didn't say replace getting rid is a tax raise on everyone
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    If Garland never happened and the dems held the Senate now does anyone think they'd approve a Trump nomination?

    Of course not

    We don't deal in hypotheticals but that's kind of my point. I don't like that the nomination process can be held hostage by either party. The judiciary was not designed to be part of the political theatre. Right now it is.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    If Garland never happened and the dems held the Senate now does anyone think they'd approve a Trump nomination?

    Of course not

    We don't deal in hypotheticals but that's kind of my point. I don't like that the nomination process can be held hostage by either party. The judiciary was not designed to be part of the political theatre. Right now it is.
    Has been forever friend
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    ...isn't Biden beating Trump, it's that the Dems look likely to win the Senate as well. Can you imagine what is about to happen with unified socialist government? Court packing, massive tax hikes, energy dependence again, millions of job losses, National Firearms Database...the list goes on and on...

    Scary tim for sure. Help us ACB, you're our only hope...

    Also gonna need the Conservative Supremes to all stay alive for the next 4 years. Lose one and it's back to a lib court because that fag Roberts votes with the libs on everything. Bush fucked that appointment up beyond belief.
    They're going to pack the court so their lives will be irrelevant.
    I tend to not believe that. The Dems are dumb, but doing that loses them at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, and probably the Presidency in 2024. That policy is wildly unpopular with voters.
    I don't think the Dems GAF what is popular with voters.

    They're out for blood.
    The GOP played dirty to get ACB in there. Winners win but yeah DNC is going to retaliate for that move. Im not a fan of the current DNC talking points to pack the courts which is basically just adding justices carte blanche.

    Buttigieg had an interesting proposal to depoliticise the process which I guess could still fall under the umbrella of court packing given the current balance. GOP gets 5 justices. DNC gets 5 justices. This initial allotment does not change. Those initial 10 justices appoint 5 more. 15 justices in total. This was floated well before RBG/ACB.
    The GOP used existing rules to nominate and vote in favor of a Supreme Court Justice

    Nothing dirty about it at all

    Thanks to Harry Reid it was possible. Maybe the dems can change some more stuff that blows up in their face
    The playing dirty is setting a precedent that if you control congress you delay or expedite court appointments until you get your guy into the executive office. It's supposed to be an apolitical office.

    Playing dirty is not hearing an appointment for Garland on the grounds that it was an election year and then ramming through ACB a month before the election. I never said that it was against the rules but it was massively hypocritical.
    2016 Obama was a democrat, the Senate was controlled by republicans

    2020 Trump is a Republican, the senate was controlled by republicans

    This isn't complicated
    Mind blown...so whoever controls senate can just delay an appointment for how long?
    Your mind is blown that a branch of the legislature can exercise a check on the power of the executive making a life long appointment into the judicial??? Thats the entire fucking point.

    No wonder you are peddling Beto type ideas...

    JFC you are talking about breaking down judges by republican vs democrat (as if no other political party does/could exist) and then having its own body pick additional justices...

    Read a god damn book , Start with the federalist papers, maybe Hamilton's (that guy from the spoken word musical was actually a real guy!) No. 76.
    So how long can the senate delay a judicial appointment? It's not a check against the executive branch if the senate is just refusing to do its elected duty. The way things are going the controlling party is just going to just refuse to hear any appointments if the other party controls the executive and makes the nomination. Or worse continual court packing.

    The politicization of the judiciary is not a radical idea and most agree that it's a bad thing. I never said that I think Buttigieg's idea is the best approach or that I even support it. I do appreciate that he at least calls attention to the issue and puts an idea out there. Also you seem to not understand the proposal. It doesn't matter what the judge's political affiliation is. The judges are nominated by the GOP/DEM members of the senate. The GOP senate block could nominate a liberal judge and vice versa.

    Thanks for the list of books.
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    RedRocket said:

    If Garland never happened and the dems held the Senate now does anyone think they'd approve a Trump nomination?

    Of course not

    We don't deal in hypotheticals but that's kind of my point. I don't like that the nomination process can be held hostage by either party. The judiciary was not designed to be part of the political theatre. Right now it is.
    Has been forever friend
    Well you were there when the Judiciary Act was established but I'm told that it used to not be unheard of for a Republican/Democratic president to nominate a liberal/conservative leaning justice.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,557 Standard Supporter
    So how long can the senate delay a judicial appointment? Forever, as both sides had done previously with judicial appointments. The Constitutional requirement is that the Senate has to affirmatively consent to the Presidential appointment. That's it. They can affirmatively consent or not affirmatively consent. There is no requirement for a vote or a hearing.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    If Garland never happened and the dems held the Senate now does anyone think they'd approve a Trump nomination?

    Of course not

    We don't deal in hypotheticals but that's kind of my point. I don't like that the nomination process can be held hostage by either party. The judiciary was not designed to be part of the political theatre. Right now it is.
    Has been forever friend
    Well you were there when the Judiciary Act was established but I'm told that it used to not be unheard of for a Republican/Democratic president to nominate a liberal/conservative leaning justice.
    Ike nominated the most liberal justice of our lifetime. Didn't want to but got Robertsed

    Not sure there is an equivalent
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    HHusky said:


    Some have termed regarding the concerns of others with whom one does not share circumstances, enlightened.
    Thank you for your concern.

    But I'll be fine.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,785 Swaye's Wigwam
    On the statehood issue - for DC to become a state, I am pretty sure that a constitutional amendment is required. The District of Columbia is in the constitution.

    of course, I could be wrong
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,557 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    On the statehood issue - for DC to become a state, I am pretty sure that a constitutional amendment is required. The District of Columbia is in the constitution.

    of course, I could be wrong

    Dems would just carve out the Capitol area and White House, Supreme Court building. That would be the new DC. The rest would be the new state.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,038
    HHusky said:


    You've put on some weight since I gave you a swirly in high school, Dazzler.

  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited October 2020

    HHusky said:


    You've put on some weight since I gave you a swirly in high school, Dazzler.

    Internet tough guys are somethin' else, boy. Where did it all go wrong?
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,038

    HHusky said:


    You've put on some weight since I gave you a swirly in high school, Dazzler.

    Internet tough guys are somethin' else, boy. Where did it all go wrong?
    Nothing's change with me.

    #maltby
  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited October 2020
    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    ...isn't Biden beating Trump, it's that the Dems look likely to win the Senate as well. Can you imagine what is about to happen with unified socialist government? Court packing, massive tax hikes, energy dependence again, millions of job losses, National Firearms Database...the list goes on and on...

    Scary tim for sure. Help us ACB, you're our only hope...

    Also gonna need the Conservative Supremes to all stay alive for the next 4 years. Lose one and it's back to a lib court because that fag Roberts votes with the libs on everything. Bush fucked that appointment up beyond belief.
    They're going to pack the court so their lives will be irrelevant.
    I tend to not believe that. The Dems are dumb, but doing that loses them at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, and probably the Presidency in 2024. That policy is wildly unpopular with voters.
    I don't think the Dems GAF what is popular with voters.

    They're out for blood.
    The GOP played dirty to get ACB in there. Winners win but yeah DNC is going to retaliate for that move. Im not a fan of the current DNC talking points to pack the courts which is basically just adding justices carte blanche.

    Buttigieg had an interesting proposal to depoliticise the process which I guess could still fall under the umbrella of court packing given the current balance. GOP gets 5 justices. DNC gets 5 justices. This initial allotment does not change. Those initial 10 justices appoint 5 more. 15 justices in total. This was floated well before RBG/ACB.
    The GOP used existing rules to nominate and vote in favor of a Supreme Court Justice

    Nothing dirty about it at all

    Thanks to Harry Reid it was possible. Maybe the dems can change some more stuff that blows up in their face
    The playing dirty is setting a precedent that if you control congress you delay or expedite court appointments until you get your guy into the executive office. It's supposed to be an apolitical office.

    Playing dirty is not hearing an appointment for Garland on the grounds that it was an election year and then ramming through ACB a month before the election. I never said that it was against the rules but it was massively hypocritical.
    2016 Obama was a democrat, the Senate was controlled by republicans

    2020 Trump is a Republican, the senate was controlled by republicans

    This isn't complicated
    Mind blown...so whoever controls senate can just delay an appointment for how long?
    Your mind is blown that a branch of the legislature can exercise a check on the power of the executive making a life long appointment into the judicial??? Thats the entire fucking point.

    No wonder you are peddling Beto type ideas...

    JFC you are talking about breaking down judges by republican vs democrat (as if no other political party does/could exist) and then having its own body pick additional justices...

    Read a god damn book , Start with the federalist papers, maybe Hamilton's (that guy from the spoken word musical was actually a real guy!) No. 76.
    So how long can the senate delay a judicial appointment? It's not a check against the executive branch if the senate is just refusing to do its elected duty. The way things are going the controlling party is just going to just refuse to hear any appointments if the other party controls the executive and makes the nomination. Or worse continual court packing.

    The politicization of the judiciary is not a radical idea and most agree that it's a bad thing. I never said that I think Buttigieg's idea is the best approach or that I even support it. I do appreciate that he at least calls attention to the issue and puts an idea out there. Also you seem to not understand the proposal. It doesn't matter what the judge's political affiliation is. The judges are nominated by the GOP/DEM members of the senate. The GOP senate block could nominate a liberal judge and vice versa.

    Thanks for the list of books.
    Yes, the senate can block the appointment of the seat forever, just like the Executive could just refuse to nominate anyone to the seat forever. Its not absconding from a duty, its exercising its check. If the executive was intended to appoint justices directly it wouldn't say the executive shall nominate to the senate.

    Seriously, go read Federalist 76... "To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity."


    What does "politicization" actually mean and when you think it started in the supreme court?

    Why do you think the Supreme court exists in the first place and what do you think their main directive is?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072

    This is a solid thread. Various viewpoints.

    Fuck off















    Don't gulag me!
    Gulag? No, no. It’s just a little Train Ride through the countryside
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Barrett will represent the interests of the State, the UN, The Vatican, Bill Gates and the NWO. She has already ruled in favor of Medical Tyranny in Illinois, using a forced inoculation ruling from the previous century to enable JB Pritzker's power grab.



    She doesn't work for you. None of them do.
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    ...isn't Biden beating Trump, it's that the Dems look likely to win the Senate as well. Can you imagine what is about to happen with unified socialist government? Court packing, massive tax hikes, energy dependence again, millions of job losses, National Firearms Database...the list goes on and on...

    Scary tim for sure. Help us ACB, you're our only hope...

    Also gonna need the Conservative Supremes to all stay alive for the next 4 years. Lose one and it's back to a lib court because that fag Roberts votes with the libs on everything. Bush fucked that appointment up beyond belief.
    They're going to pack the court so their lives will be irrelevant.
    I tend to not believe that. The Dems are dumb, but doing that loses them at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, and probably the Presidency in 2024. That policy is wildly unpopular with voters.
    I don't think the Dems GAF what is popular with voters.

    They're out for blood.
    The GOP played dirty to get ACB in there. Winners win but yeah DNC is going to retaliate for that move. Im not a fan of the current DNC talking points to pack the courts which is basically just adding justices carte blanche.

    Buttigieg had an interesting proposal to depoliticise the process which I guess could still fall under the umbrella of court packing given the current balance. GOP gets 5 justices. DNC gets 5 justices. This initial allotment does not change. Those initial 10 justices appoint 5 more. 15 justices in total. This was floated well before RBG/ACB.
    The GOP used existing rules to nominate and vote in favor of a Supreme Court Justice

    Nothing dirty about it at all

    Thanks to Harry Reid it was possible. Maybe the dems can change some more stuff that blows up in their face
    The playing dirty is setting a precedent that if you control congress you delay or expedite court appointments until you get your guy into the executive office. It's supposed to be an apolitical office.

    Playing dirty is not hearing an appointment for Garland on the grounds that it was an election year and then ramming through ACB a month before the election. I never said that it was against the rules but it was massively hypocritical.
    2016 Obama was a democrat, the Senate was controlled by republicans

    2020 Trump is a Republican, the senate was controlled by republicans

    This isn't complicated
    Mind blown...so whoever controls senate can just delay an appointment for how long?
    Your mind is blown that a branch of the legislature can exercise a check on the power of the executive making a life long appointment into the judicial??? Thats the entire fucking point.

    No wonder you are peddling Beto type ideas...

    JFC you are talking about breaking down judges by republican vs democrat (as if no other political party does/could exist) and then having its own body pick additional justices...

    Read a god damn book , Start with the federalist papers, maybe Hamilton's (that guy from the spoken word musical was actually a real guy!) No. 76.
    So how long can the senate delay a judicial appointment? It's not a check against the executive branch if the senate is just refusing to do its elected duty. The way things are going the controlling party is just going to just refuse to hear any appointments if the other party controls the executive and makes the nomination. Or worse continual court packing.

    The politicization of the judiciary is not a radical idea and most agree that it's a bad thing. I never said that I think Buttigieg's idea is the best approach or that I even support it. I do appreciate that he at least calls attention to the issue and puts an idea out there. Also you seem to not understand the proposal. It doesn't matter what the judge's political affiliation is. The judges are nominated by the GOP/DEM members of the senate. The GOP senate block could nominate a liberal judge and vice versa.

    Thanks for the list of books.
    Yes, the senate can block the appointment of the seat forever, just like the Executive could just refuse to nominate anyone to the seat forever. Its not absconding from a duty, its exercising its check. If the executive was intended to appoint justices directly it wouldn't say the executive shall nominate to the senate.

    Seriously, go read Federalist 76... "To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity."


    What does "politicization" actually mean and when you think it started in the supreme court?

    Why do you think the Supreme court exists in the first place and what do you think their main directive is?
    There is no constitutional recourse for the senate not holding a hearing or voting down a nominee but it is their elected duty to confirm justices. Same with the executive to appoint. I'm not arguing that the senate shouldn't act as a check against the executive. It should and that check should happen during the confirmation process when the qualifications of the nominee are measured.

    To borrow from your Federlist 76 quote the check from the Senate is to prevent "unfit characters" from appointment not to block a qualified appointee because they happen to be nominated by an opposing political party. Federalist 76 also points out that under this system that it is "not probable that the nomination would often be overruled" likely because the author assumes that the executive and senate both act in good faith.

    Politicization of the courts is what we're currently seeing. Party line votes for confirmations. Delays in holding confirmation hearings because of partisanship. Retaliatory threats to pack the court. All of this erodes the public perception of the independence of the judiciary which is really the crux of the problem.

    Why do I think the Supreme Court exists? Seriously it's not worth my time to write this or for you to read it.

  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    Houhusky said:

    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    ...isn't Biden beating Trump, it's that the Dems look likely to win the Senate as well. Can you imagine what is about to happen with unified socialist government? Court packing, massive tax hikes, energy dependence again, millions of job losses, National Firearms Database...the list goes on and on...

    Scary tim for sure. Help us ACB, you're our only hope...

    Also gonna need the Conservative Supremes to all stay alive for the next 4 years. Lose one and it's back to a lib court because that fag Roberts votes with the libs on everything. Bush fucked that appointment up beyond belief.
    They're going to pack the court so their lives will be irrelevant.
    I tend to not believe that. The Dems are dumb, but doing that loses them at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, and probably the Presidency in 2024. That policy is wildly unpopular with voters.
    I don't think the Dems GAF what is popular with voters.

    They're out for blood.
    The GOP played dirty to get ACB in there. Winners win but yeah DNC is going to retaliate for that move. Im not a fan of the current DNC talking points to pack the courts which is basically just adding justices carte blanche.

    Buttigieg had an interesting proposal to depoliticise the process which I guess could still fall under the umbrella of court packing given the current balance. GOP gets 5 justices. DNC gets 5 justices. This initial allotment does not change. Those initial 10 justices appoint 5 more. 15 justices in total. This was floated well before RBG/ACB.
    The GOP used existing rules to nominate and vote in favor of a Supreme Court Justice

    Nothing dirty about it at all

    Thanks to Harry Reid it was possible. Maybe the dems can change some more stuff that blows up in their face
    The playing dirty is setting a precedent that if you control congress you delay or expedite court appointments until you get your guy into the executive office. It's supposed to be an apolitical office.

    Playing dirty is not hearing an appointment for Garland on the grounds that it was an election year and then ramming through ACB a month before the election. I never said that it was against the rules but it was massively hypocritical.
    2016 Obama was a democrat, the Senate was controlled by republicans

    2020 Trump is a Republican, the senate was controlled by republicans

    This isn't complicated
    Mind blown...so whoever controls senate can just delay an appointment for how long?
    Your mind is blown that a branch of the legislature can exercise a check on the power of the executive making a life long appointment into the judicial??? Thats the entire fucking point.

    No wonder you are peddling Beto type ideas...

    JFC you are talking about breaking down judges by republican vs democrat (as if no other political party does/could exist) and then having its own body pick additional justices...

    Read a god damn book , Start with the federalist papers, maybe Hamilton's (that guy from the spoken word musical was actually a real guy!) No. 76.
    So how long can the senate delay a judicial appointment? It's not a check against the executive branch if the senate is just refusing to do its elected duty. The way things are going the controlling party is just going to just refuse to hear any appointments if the other party controls the executive and makes the nomination. Or worse continual court packing.

    The politicization of the judiciary is not a radical idea and most agree that it's a bad thing. I never said that I think Buttigieg's idea is the best approach or that I even support it. I do appreciate that he at least calls attention to the issue and puts an idea out there. Also you seem to not understand the proposal. It doesn't matter what the judge's political affiliation is. The judges are nominated by the GOP/DEM members of the senate. The GOP senate block could nominate a liberal judge and vice versa.

    Thanks for the list of books.
    Yes, the senate can block the appointment of the seat forever, just like the Executive could just refuse to nominate anyone to the seat forever. Its not absconding from a duty, its exercising its check. If the executive was intended to appoint justices directly it wouldn't say the executive shall nominate to the senate.

    Seriously, go read Federalist 76... "To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity."


    What does "politicization" actually mean and when you think it started in the supreme court?

    Why do you think the Supreme court exists in the first place and what do you think their main directive is?
    There is no constitutional recourse for the senate not holding a hearing or voting down a nominee but it is their elected duty to confirm justices. Same with the executive to appoint. I'm not arguing that the senate shouldn't act as a check against the executive. It should and that check should happen during the confirmation process when the qualifications of the nominee are measured.

    To borrow from your Federlist 76 quote the check from the Senate is to prevent "unfit characters" from appointment not to block a qualified appointee because they happen to be nominated by an opposing political party. Federalist 76 also points out that under this system that it is "not probable that the nomination would often be overruled" likely because the author assumes that the executive and senate both act in good faith.

    Politicization of the courts is what we're currently seeing. Party line votes for confirmations. Delays in holding confirmation hearings because of partisanship. Retaliatory threats to pack the court. All of this erodes the public perception of the independence of the judiciary which is really the crux of the problem.

    Why do I think the Supreme Court exists? Seriously it's not worth my time to write this or for you to read it.

    There is no "elected duty to confirm justices" in the Senate. The executive nominates, the Senate can confirm if it wishes. Just because you FEEL like there is a "duty" doesn't mean there is.

    There is a well established history of not voting on nominees...

    1) Jon Quincy Adams in 1829 had his nominee postponed without a vote until after President Andrew Jackson won and instead filled the position.

    2) Andrew Jackson's nominee in 1835 had his nominee postponed and the senate even voted to "Postpone indefinitely" until the Senate composition changed after the election.

    3) John Tyler experienced extreme difficulty in obtaining approval of his nominees... Reuben H. Walworth was nominated on March 13, 1844, and a resolution to table the nomination passed on a 27–20 vote on June 15, 1844. Edward King was nominated on June 5, 1844. A resolution to table the nomination passed by a vote of 29–18 on June 15, 1844. No other action was taken on this nomination.

    The same day that Walworth's nomination was withdrawn, Walworth was then re-nominated, but the motion to act on the nomination in the Senate was objected to, and no further action was taken.

    Walworth and King were re-nominated on December 10, 1844, but both nominations were tabled on January 21, 1845. John M. Read was nominated on February 8, 1845, and there was a motion to consider the nomination in the Senate on January 21, 1845, but the motion was unsuccessful and no other action was taken.

    4) Milliard Fillmore (the last Whig) nominated 3 difference justices for the democrat controlled Senate and they did not take action on any of the nominees. Democratic President Franklin Pierce later filled the vacancy with John Archibald Campbell.

    5) Grant nominated George Henry Williams to be Chief Justice of the United States in 1873, the Senate Judiciary Committee declined to recommend confirmation to the entire Senate.

    6) Rutherford B Hayes (a republican), in 1881, nominated Thomas Stanley Matthews, The democrat party controlled Senate declared the nomination to close to the election and took not action or vote. After the election the next president Garfield nominated.

    7) Dwight D. Eisenhower nominated John Marshall Harlan II in 1954, but his nomination was not reported out of the judiciary committee. He had to re-nominate the next year after the Senate elections.

    You dont know what you are talking about. There is no duty to confirm or even vote, what was done was nothing new.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    During President Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency, federal judicial appointments played a central role. Johnson appointed two individuals to the Supreme Court of the United States in just over five years as president.

    In 1965, Johnson nominated his friend, high-profile Washington, D.C. lawyer Abe Fortas, to the Supreme Court, and he was confirmed by the United States Senate. In 1967, Johnson nominated United States Solicitor General Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, and he also was confirmed by the Senate. In 1968, however, Johnson made two failed nominations to the Supreme Court. He nominated Fortas to become Chief Justice to replace the retiring Earl Warren, and he nominated United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit judge Homer Thornberry to replace Fortas as Associate Justice. However, Johnson wound up withdrawing Fortas' nomination after his confirmation was filibustered by Sen. Robert Griffin (R-MI), and he was not able to make another Chief Justice nomination before his presidency ended. As a result, Warren continued as Chief Justice and Fortas as an Associate Justice, so Johnson also ended up withdrawing Thornberry's nomination. Ultimately, Johnson's successor, President Richard Nixon, appointed Warren E. Burger as Chief Justice of the United States. After Fortas resigned from the Supreme Court, Nixon appointed Harry Blackmun to fill Fortas' seat after his previous nominations of Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell to that seat both were voted down by the United States Senate.

    At the appellate level, Johnson formally nominated one person, Barefoot Sanders, for a federal appellate judgeship who was never confirmed. The United States Senate did not act on Sanders' nomination before Johnson's presidency ended, and Nixon did not renominate him. Johnson also considered other appeals court nominees whom he never wound up nominating.